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sorry I forgot all the world problems are caused by EATING MEAT,
You don't dislike meat eaters but they are murderers... wow you like murderers, what next pedophiles
oh and why am I doing this because your pathetic, considering you even said your so superior to any meat eater, as far as I am concerned you can go and shove your ***** up your ******
good luck in life with that attitude, I see you failing every step of the way
Doesn't matter the word murderer will not be taken lightly, I don't care that much for your very narrow minded views, but you do not have to be so aggressive, yeah so you are stressed about what is going on right now, but that doesnt hold as an excuse here especially when you can type all the insults you want get rid of it and start again. Frankly you want a fight here.
Umm i'd add the L to frankly or Franki will think you are asking her for a fight.
hahaha! sorry Franki if you see this
Actually, yeah. I was stupid enough to become friends with pedos, and it doesn't end well.
And, whatever, yeah I rrreeaalllyyy want a fight don't I NAUN. It is you who reads what I say, and you who responds, I am not responisble for your response, nor you for mine. You are smart enough to walk away, and not respond to what I say.
yeah I changed my mind if that comment, you are still pathetic narrow minded idiot who clearly "loves" the attention from confrontation and being "different"
Everybody just SHUT UP.
Graeme stop being a pretentious asshole. She's allowed her opinion and if you disagree with it then suck it up and act like the adult you are. I know I said that she shouldn't play the "I'm twelve" card, but I am going to remind you that you are talking to a *child* who is going through a difficult time and to be a bit more understanding. I knew you at that age (or not much older) and you weren't exactly perfect so GOD SHUT UP. That was possibly the most insensitive and assholish thing you could have said, considering her circumstances, and right now I could slap you.
B-A, nobody wants a fight. It is difficult for people to react well when they are referred to as murderers. Obviously you understand that. I have said this several times to you, but I think that when you are in a bad mood or having a bad time of things, threads such as this one are probably not a good place for you to be. Frustration and the like often can be translated into your posts and interpreted in the wrong way.
Naun - I wouldn't have been offended
So yeh, everybody...shut up. Opinions are opinions and they often differ. That doesn't mean we can't be fucking civil.
Then play the but i'm 12 card. It doessn't work like that, this has turned into a 3 page argument over something that we all started. And with what you are saying people are going to get pissed with you, deal with it we all need to.
EDIT: yes Franki, i see what you are saying, but...but like i just said i know we all started this, but there are somethings BA said that didnt need to be said and yeah i probs said somethings too. And why does this always happen between me and BA?
I know I was an arsehole when I was younger and I deserved all the shit I go, frankly after being called a murderer I think I say pretty much what I want....
A) Yes, I think you are all murderers if you eat meat. It doesn't mean I dislike you though.
C) Go a head, eat as many animals as you wish.
D) There is nothing special about you, I think all people who eat meat are animal abusers, and yea- the meat you buy means more animals have to be killed. It's like people who hire murderers.
That is my last post in this thread, make what you wish of it.
Oh, and yeah I am 12... so to be honest, you must deal with that. I am more mature than most 12 year olds, but at the end of the day I am still 12 and therefore am not as good as you at putting across my views. Even if I am better at it than some of my peers.
I know. Everybody says things they shouldn't. Murderers is a bit strong and while it does grate on me, if that's how she feels about it then so be it. Nobody *glares at Hellfire* is going to change her opinion by being argumentative about it. Also (again, not directed at you naun), telling a 12 year old child who has just found out the man who raped her is not going to prison to go and befriend a paedophile was hardly the wisest move and is a million times more offensive than being called a murderer to be fair. So yeh, Hellfire, shut the hell up until you can act like an adult.
I get that you two clash a lot, but you also seem to get on a fair bit too. I will repeat my point about B-A avoiding potentially controversial threads when she's upset because it causes WAY TOO MUCH drama.
Um.....flowers for everybody?
Ok last post from i promise
A) good for you...
C) You will be glad to know i hardly eat anyway, but i will eat meat.
D) Nothing special about you either. and are forests not choped down for your veg to grow?
I know your 12, you are a very smart 12 year old that does tent to put the wrong emotion across with your posts but it doesn't mean you get away with that.
Edit: flowers please!
And yeah Franki i get what you are saying.
I am sorry to the rest of you though, yes my behaviour has been out. I can't think of an excuse that justifys it all, but I am stressed atm.
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You know what, AS I HAVE SAID I have never read B-A's threads no nothing about a paedophile etc and I DID edit it out.
I am still curious if she only eats veg which have not been grown in animal fertilizer (and thats a legitimate question)
Most the veg I eat we grow ourselves. But, I have not rang up companies and asked if they use animal fertilizer or not.
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so surely that is going against your own ethos?
Oh, saying I'll fail every step of the way? When did I say I would sucseed in anything?
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At the end of the day, you are an adult (in theory, perhaps not in practice...) and she is a child. She may be (and don't take this the wrong way b-a, I don't mean it offensively) misinformed about some things, she may be a little over emotional, but she is still a child. Treating her like an idiot is not going to get your point across, it is going to make you look like a dickhead. Maybe one day she will change her opinions, maybe one day she will look back on this and facepalm. Maybe she won't, and I would absolutely respect her for sticking to her morals in the way she does. Murderer is a strong word, but obviously it's something she feels very strongly about and she obviously has not had the practice you've had at communicating her opinions in a way that won't cause mass offense (although you're not much better than she is right now :yeees:).
You may well not care about what she is going through, but it is obviously very difficult for her and it should still factor into how you speak to her. She is not the only one acting like a 12 year old in this thread, but she is the only one with the excuse that she is acting her age.
Fair enough I understand you cannot always control but surely your parents respect your wishes? I mean all you would have to do is phone up the specific companies find the ones which do NOT use animal fertilizer and ask your parents to buy them ones instead.
My father would, but at this current time I no longer see him. My mother, on the other hand, says I must eat what she gives me. She doesn't give me eggs, dairy ect. But she'd draw the line at me ringing companies. I pay for my vegan society memborship, and I pay for the make up I wear, and I pay for my soap and hair gel and all other cosmetics. If my mother buys me clothes that have wool ect. I wont wear them, but she has already said if I become fruitarian I must buy all food myself.
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This is going to sound patronising and I'm sorry in advance, but do you know that it is actually painful and massively uncomfortable for the sheep to keep their wool through summer? They don't just shave them for aesthetics
Vegans avoid using wool to avoid causing suffering to sheep. A sheep kept primarily for its wool does not die of old age. The commercial production of wool is inextricably linked to meat production. A sheep always finishes up on someone's plate, or kebab stick. Indeed, a young lamb may not even be allowed one year of life before it is turned into chops - usually at about 6 months of age, or even as young as 4 months. Every year, Australia and New Zealand export around 500,000 tonnes of sheep and lamb carcase. Around 7 million live sheep and lambs are also exported - mostly to Middle Eastern countries where those that survive the journey face ritual slaughter. Some wool (called "pulled wool" in the trade) is a direct slaughterhouse product, being taken from the skins of slaughtered sheep and lambs. If you buy wool, you are supporting slaughter. Vegans avoid using wool to avoid supporting slaughter.
Have you looked into sourcing your wool from other places? I don't know much about it tbf.
What do you wear to stay warm then?
I copied and pasted the last post from the vegan society btw, just because they can word it better than me.
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So try to remember a few points - when discussing a topic you're talking about the viewpoints of other people - not the people themselves. Equally it's important to have some awareness of how you or other people are reacting to a thread - especially if it's expressing anger from other sources. So if you're feeling really angry when replying to a thread it's best to take a few minutes out.