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BABY KILLERS!!
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Re: the post above from Rachel Holmes, yet another spoiled, selfish person interested only in self-gratification, i am not surprised. all i ever hear is how traumatic a rape pregnancy is on the rape victim, how 'bout the children?? Abortion is murder, no matter how that fetus got inside of you--and still part of you! What you did was best 4u, but what about the baby -- did you ever stop to think about him/her>>apparently not. i myself happen to have been born of rape, and i hate the way we "rape babies" are treated as disposable. what complete and utter bull. Most of the time, the woman wasn't truly raped anyway...she just needs a good excuse to get out of being pregnant...which more people would believe if they actually look at the statistics of rape pregancies. Oy vey!
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OK yes no matter how a fetus gets inside you it is a part of you physically, but not mentally and emotionally!
If someone has an abortion, it is not always because they are looking after number one, it is sometimes because the woman pregnant does not think they can offer the child a good life, and be able to give them the love, care attention and material things that babies and children need.
Having an abortion when u become pregnant through rape is soooo much more different, if u had an unwanted child who u were pregnant with because u were forced to have sex with someone you didnt want to, and made to give up the one thing that only u should have the right to give away, YOUR BODY, it is worse than an unwanted child,
it is a reminder every day and minute of what has happened to you, it is part of someone who you never wished to have sex with in the first place, and if im honest id say it was the sibling of a beast!
if you brought that child into the world when you didnt want it purely because u didnt believe in abortion, that child would have one fucked up shit life, if u truly didnt want it, how could you look them in the eyes, how could you love it, how could you do things for it,
personally i couldnt do it, and that child would feel so unloved and it would not be there fault, why inflict that pain on another human being and give them a shitty fucked up life, i mean they would have to live their life knowing that they were totally unwanted and trust me that hurts like fuck and i know!
If you had an unwanted pregnancy usually well at the end of the day you have made the mistake and it was ur fault if you knew what precautions you should have been taking to stop getting pregnant and did not take them, but being pregnant by a beast (and a rapist is a beast in my eyes) when you didnt want a child in the first place must be torture.
Well women who lie about rape are awful and to use it as an excuse when its not really happened to get out of a pregnancy is awful too, but i know i would never slag anyone down who had an abortion because they got pregnant because of rape, i think they have been through enough anyway without having to pay for it all thier lives by having a child to remind them of it,
these women have done nothing wrong yet you seem to think that they should have the child that they never wanted in the first place and was forced onto them,
i know you are a child of rape as you said but if ur mum would have wanted an abortion i would not hold that against her, she must be very strong,
and quite frankly i think ur attitude to this is shit.
Agreed Spirit.
And msrb, there is no need to post something twice.
I've not lost my mind it's inserted elsewhere - hence the limp.
msrb, it's possible that some women do use rape as an excuse to get out of pregnancy. But you say "the woman was not truly raped anyway". What does that mean? You mean, they were forced to have unprotected sex against their will by a husband or lover? That is still rape and still very traumatic. Often more so, because you love(d) the person.
The other point is that maybe you think it's not truly rape when there's no prosecution of the perpetrator. Maybe you should also realise that a large proportion of rape goes unreported, certainly to the police, for a variety of reasons. Victims may feel guilty, ashamed and dirty. They may feel they won't be believed. But there is a lot of rape, in all societies of this world, that is unreported. Just because noone is chasing the offender it doesn't mean there is no crime.
"Most of the time, the woman wasn't truly raped". What a stupid phrase. Sex against someone's will is rape and a terrible thing, end of story.
The more sand that escapes through the hourglass of time, the clearer we should be able to see through it.
Imo rape babies will remind u of what happened each time u look at it like when i see the set of stairs where i was beaten up once.
as for the term "disposable" they are not yet alive and there should be no problem with saving it from a fucked up life.
If you don't know where you're going, you'll probably end up somewhere else.
Being from the "good ol' US of A" and being from Kansas I expect you are probably highly religous. Im not going to criticse you for that.
But things work differently over here. For one thing are crime rate is considerably high, and unfortunately the same goes for crimes like rape. Over here abortion isnt frowned upon for religious reasons, and even if it was exceptions would be made for victims of rape. I think you Yankees need to open your eyes to the facts, and one of those is show me a woman who wouldn't consider abortion if she was raped....you wont find many over here. And why are you saying that it isnt true rape if t is unreported??? If you were beaten up in the street at some pro life rally but didnt report it we could just say that you did it yourself.
As far as REAL rape victims, I'm in no way denying they go through hell...but why take it out on their kid?
< Hel-LO? They WILL be alive, when the pregnancy ends...so you ARE killing a life, or at least, a potential life! Wake up and get a clue, please!! And as for a fucked up life...I can't deny, I would rather have a life where I weren't forced to defend my right to exist, to uneducated people like you.
[This message has been edited by mrsrb921 (edited 20-01-2001).]
As for my religious views, they have NO bearing on what I am saying. I don't even consider myself a "pro-lifer". If women are going to have abortions, fine! I don't agree with it, but fine! BUT, don't dare come to me with this poppycock about everyone BUT rape and incest babies deserving to live...
that is utter crap. We are people too. I hope you understand, i am NOT coming at this from a religious standpoint, in the least. I'm approaching it as a child of rape who happens to think that you all have no right to say *I* don't deserve to live. Just as I shouldn't say *you* have no right to live. Everyone getting so hot under the collar want to tell me how many of you actually are people born of rape? Or know anyone that was? And I'm talking firsthand--not someone you saw on Sally Jessy Raphael or wherever else. Until you're in that situation, I don't believe you have the right to speak for our rights.
What we are saying about rape babies, and a view that I agree with, is that it is often better for them not to live - the mother could be emotionally unstable and thus not give the baby a good life.
Foetuses - yes they are living, yes it has been proven that they can respond to stimuli. But did you ever ask your mother about how she feels about you, especially when you were inside of her - the spawn of a beast, as someone put it in another post.
I've not lost my mind it's inserted elsewhere - hence the limp.
In some cases, like yours for instance the mother and child get on fine. But in a lot of cases everytime the mother sees this child she sees a reminder of a horrific deed that was done to her. What about her husband or bf at the time? Everytime he sees you it will be a reminder of how the woman he loves has been violated.
I know at some point someone will raise the issue of "what if that child would live to cure AIDS?". I'll tell you now, any child brought up in a world where it is hated isn't destined to do a great world deed. In most cases they like the rest of society will just live their lives, in others that child maybe so fucked up they will themselves become a rapist or murderer or insane pyscho.
And you obviously are pro-life or you wouldn't have a thread entitiled "baby killers". Every woman has the right to choose what she does with her body, like drug takers (Im not criticising you guys) or drink drivers. she will have to live with her descision and it will be bad enough without people reminding her constantly.
Im sorry that the society you live in sees you as a freak and dissaproves of abortion like it does. it isnt your fault about your circumstances so you shouldnt be reminded of it constantly either, and for that I think Kansas must be a really shitty place to live.
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No one here where i live reminds me of it constantly...it's people who post on boards like this, and other sentiments I've heard over the internet! And since you posters come from all over the world, it's obvious we won't get acceptance anywhere--though we desperately deserve it!!
just because your mother was strong enough to go through it, doesnt mean every mother is. ok?? and u have no right to slag rachel off. rape is one of the worst things that can happen to you. and NOBODY can give you back what's been taken away.
your view of abortion is steadfast, and that may go to your credit. but that doesnt mean you should come on here accusing people of being murderers.
if you were conceived in rape, that doesnt make you an less of a person. nobody (here at least, or as i can imagine in society) will judge you on that. but for alot of women, that child is a constant reminder of what has happened.
when u say that most women werent raped anyways, that may in many cases be true. but not all of them. you cant tar everyone with that black disgusting brush. if people say they were raped to get out of a situation, that in my opinion is bad, but i dont know what would happen to them if they told the truth. i havent read many of the posts on here that everyone has said, because it cracks me up, and no thats not laughing.
in my view, that fetus is not part of u, because u didnt consent to it. u didnt get yourself pregnant. some bastard raped u, and u shouldnt be made to carry his child, or look after it.
the way im seeing this, is that your mother has brought u up, and is a very strong woman. but she is an EXCEPTION. and you have NO RIGHT to slag people off for choosing anything other than abortion.ur pretty screwed up.
i think the "rapist traits" thing is shit, and its how someone is brought up that decided who they are, nurture, not nature.
you had the right to live, u still do, but u have absolutely no right to fuck people up who chose to have an abortion.
all ur stuff about emotional stability, that was alot of shit. because there are thousands of children out there in homes, because their parents cant look after them. so even if the child was born, it might be put in a home. and what kind of a life is that? "oh yeah my mother was strong enough to have me, but she wasnt emotionally stable enough to bring me up, so even though i live a shit life, im glad i had the chance to live, and that she didnt choose to have an abortion". because alot of kids will end up in that situation.
i give your mother all the credit she deserves, but she deserves no credit for making you so hard headed, and unable to have basic human compassion.
I fully support the right of your parents to have had you terminated. I'm glad that they didn't, even though the personality you present is one I do not wish to know.
I also consider killing an infant to be less bad than killing a child, which is itself usually less bad than killing an adult
maybe ur mom wasn't raped, maybe she lied about it to cover fo her having underage sex.
Firstly, No-one is saying that rape-babies don't deserve to live.
No-one is saying that rape-babies aren't accepted in the world. (maybe they aren't i don't know, because i don't know any, but no-one here is saying it)
It is obviously very traumatic for any woman to experience rape. If u add that to any other pressures that they might have in their life, (drugs, depression, alcohol abuse, whateva else u can think of) the child may well grow up in a living hell, not being loved or being resented (as it happens in some cases).
Children that are placed in this situation often suffer greatly, and if the mother feels that she can't give them the emotional support that they need, then they can end up being very fcuked up.
Obviously, u feel that u have turned out ok, and good 4u. But bear in mind that there are some women that wouldn't b able to do such a gud job as u believe that ur mother has done.
One more thing - i think the people on this board are very open minded.
what? how come everyone forgets me????
If you don't know where you're going, you'll probably end up somewhere else.
Tell me if im wrong.
The thing is, some ppl could cope with it as is proved by ur personal experience,
but some couldnt, its not just as easy to say have the child and give them up for adoption,
a lot of children that are adopted often find out and it is very upsetting for them finding this out,
ppl wonder who their real parents are, why they were given up for adoption, who do they look like, thier mum or their dad, have they got brothers or sisters they dont know about, what is the rest of thier birth family like,
loads and loads of stuff like that,
being adopted myself i know it is shit and i only met my real dad like a couple of years ago, and i thought about all those things, i went out of my way to find out where he was, he didnt know about me so i suppose i didnt have the added thoughts of why didnt he want to know me,
because seen as my mum never told him about me he never had the choice, i was lucky tho because he lives like 15 mins away from me and he wanted to know me,
but with other cases ppl go to find thier birth familys and get turned away, its ok saying well if they dont wanna talk to me thats ok, and trying not to have any expectations of them, but i know deep down if my dad would have said "nah fuck off i dont wanna know you i would have been absolutely heart broken",
it could really fuck someone up, going to find thier birth family and being told you were conceived through rape and that ur birth mother didnt want anything to do with you because of that,
at the end of the day, we are all different and something i could cope with, maybe you couldnt and vice versa, but just because someone couldnt cope with the fact of being raped and having a child that was forced onto them let alone the sex, does not make them a bad person,
and just because they do not go through with the pregnancy and have that child and give it up for adoption because they cant cope with the going full term with it while they are trying to come to terms with the fact they were raped anyway, or because they would spend the rest of thier lives thinking about that child wondering if they made the right choice and wondering if that child is going to come and find them one day, and wondering what would i tell them if they did turn up on my door doesnt make them a bad person either.
We have never made you out to be a freak, we are just helping you to see your argument from another perspective, but obviosly you dont care abut that...
when u were talking about message boards "like this" and how they give rape babies a bad name, that is not necessarily true. we give rapists a bad name. because they do not deserve to give a woman the responsibility of a child after such a traumatic experience. so the woman may choose to have an abortion. many women feel that to carry a child for nine monthes, just to give it away, would be impossible for them. yet they couldnt keep the child. there is alot of emotional stress.
if a baby has been born, and was conceived through rape, then yes, it has as much right to life as anybody else on the planet. but the sad thing is, it might not get it. look at the figures of children in care, and sadly, children are subject to abuse in places like that. some people shut their eyes to it, but its true. and what mother could subject her child to that possibility? i know that abuse goes on in the home aswell, but what i am trying to get across, is the woman would b giving her child away to a life of uncertainty where she is concerned.
i dont think that mocking people on here is going to gain you acceptance. if you really truly wanted it, then you wouldnt come in here accusing people left right and centre of not understanding. i may not understand what you go through, but i understand what your birth mother went through.
you deserve credit for being strong, but not for failing to understand that some women just cant go through with the birth, and you should not condemn them for that. its not that they dont think you have a right to live, its the fact that they do too.
i understand how you may feel rejected by society, but maybe you should try to understand that it isnt u thats being rejected, its the act. and some people believe that act does not deserve such consequences.
and im sorry about my other posts. i was a bit upset. i apologise. if i dont make sense, i'll come back later and explain again.
Actually, the funny thing is, I agreed with some of the points in your letter. But it was hard to make it through when you resorted to unnecessary name-calling. Let me know if you want more creative ways to get your point across in the future.
[This message has been edited by mrsrb921 (edited 20-01-2001).]