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Not quite...Just if they take action to make themselves attractive to others, purely on a visual basis...
This argument isnt really a strong one as its only recently ive been thinking about it....Go down town on any friday night and you will see girls degrading themselves far more than you see in a porno.
To reduce in grade, rank, or status; demote.
To lower in dignity; dishonor or disgrace: a scandal that degraded the participants.
To lower in moral or intellectual character; debase.
To reduce in worth or value: degrade a currency.
To impair in physical structure or function.
I can't see how this applies to a woman putting on a bit of slap come Saturday night (or any other day or night for that matter)
I can dispute the theory that all women only put make up on/wear nice clothes to impress others. My mum wears nice clothes and puts make up/perfume on everyday of the week. Yet she doesn't go out much and lives alone. She does it to make herself feel better.
I suggest you broaden your horizons a bit then. Have you ever known a woman who has been raped? I have, and that person did everything she could not to be attractive to the opposite sex. She put on weight, wore baggy unflattering clothing and didn't wear make up for years. It didn't help her though because it nearly happened again, that time though she was lucky enough to get away. That person still feels, even after all the time that has passed, that wearing make up is weird, but she does it to mask who she really is, to put on actors clothing if you like, not to appear attractive to the opposite sex.
Fishing for an invitation?
So how does it apply to porn then? Which is, after all, the whole point of this thread.
Your rape story is totally irrelevent..No ive never known a woman who has been raped, at least not that i know of. Obviously she had reason to change the way she looked. Shes a tiny minority of a tiny minority.
Okay, I can just about go along with that, at least on the makeup front. What about clothing? For instance, my uni's Final Fling takes place in a few weeks. There will doubtless be many females in clothing far more revealing (dare I say 'glamourous'?) than their usual attire -- degrading? What about the men, in their tuxes etc? Degrading themselves also?
Oh, I'm aware the logic wasn't watertight -- I just like to roll such ideas into the fray to see what effect they have on the discussion.
There's no need to tell me about the sights one sees on a Friday night... or most other nights of the week, in the right quarters of town. It did occur to me once that the girls may be adopting quite a sensible strategy, particularly in poor or deprived areas: using their looks -- while they still have them -- to acquire partners that will provide both economic and emotional support later on.
I'm not the one who bought, women wearing make up = turning themselves into object of lust, into this argument.
Yes but my argument was in relation to porn..It seems this thread has turned into everyone arguing about this issue rather than the intended issue. If youre gonna quote dictionary definitions then at least apply them to the topic at hand.
Viridis, cant quite see what that has to do with anything.
Not really....a rapist is a rapist, regardless of the image of women in porn. Rapists already see women as mere objects to be dominated.
Yes and you could also argue that alcohol allows people with addictive personalities to relieve their addictive tendencies and stay off harder addictions like heroine and cocaine. Usually however drugs like alcohol are seen as gateway drugs. Do you really think someone with a growing obsession to pornography is less likely to commit a sexual offense. I wish we could see some stats on the amt of rapist who have an obsession for pornos.
come on balddog that's just stupid. I'm not going to deny the possibility that homosexuals, and a lot of people with psychological disorders are born with chemical or hormonal imbalances effecting their actions, but your basically saying that the environment an individual is subjected to has no relevance to how they behave. That's like saying that Prince Charles has an equal chance of becoming a rapist as someone who grows up sexually abused in the slums. Its hard for me to believe that porography couln't have any influence on a first time rapist.
Er no....You were talking about someone who was already a rapist...When you said porn has an effect on rapists, that meant that they are already a rapist and this has an effect on them after that....It seems you just used the wrong words.
I think that you are arguing that porn might have an effect on a person which may turn them into a rapist. Is that right?
Environment does play a part in forming any future rapists, but only a very, very small part. The part porn plays is smaller still.
PS, we just had a huge thread about this in the sex forum so you might wanna pop over.
environment plays an enormous part in crime, obviously. Why else do you get sink estates or criminal families or sons of abusive parents abusing their own kids or or or or...
this applies to rape too.
So are you saying that there are no rapists that come from wealthy families or from traditional families? Are all poor or abused men going to turn into rapists?
Vastly different situation...The culture is different over there, women are simply objects over there. Although most rapes over there are of boys....
PS, im a massive fan of porn, i have gigs of the stuff on my comp and ive managed to hold off raping someone so far.
I think its safe to assume that the chances of someone from a poor abused household becoming a rapist is higher than someone from a wealthy family with no history of abuse even though a rapist can emerge from any environment.
Precisely, the culture is different providing for a different environment where religiously and culturally women are precieved as objects and less deserving of respect. Do you not think religion and culture are factors that influence ones environmental just like income and violence? Who cares if you watch pornos and don't rape women. I'm not saying everyone who watches porn turns into a rapist I do drugs but I'm not an addict. Some people however do have addictive personalities and take things to the extreme.
The argument here is the fact that you said the environment plays a very small role in developing a rapist. I want to know where you get your info from and what factors do influence rapist and potential rapist since you are the expert.
As for women used as objects in other countries, women have almost no choice. Lots of their parents do anything and everything to keep they're daughters in their power, by disowning them if they don't abide by their parents wishes.
Of course, we cant possibly know that without the figures in front of us.
We dont live in a muslim society. We are talking about rapists here in the UK. Personally I believe that in this country, the rapists we have are far more influenced by nature than nurture. In Afghanistan that may be different, I dont know.
Expert? When have i ever said that? Im just the only person here arguing this point.
I said all this in the other porn-rape thread....For me its the nature vs nurture argument....I believe that the only people who would be influenced by porn are those already predisposed to rape and therefore the porn would make no difference.
This is just my opinion and nowhere have i presented it as fact.
Obviously its opinion and ill address it how I wish....Am I supposed to preface every one of my posts with a opinion disclaimer?
Kiddie porn is not part of the 'porn industry'...I thought we were discussing normal porn and its degredation of women...How does child porn fit into that? Or are you just off on a tangent?