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http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
Fascinating on so many levels.
1) Put paid to the lie that Democrat supporters don't do character assassination
2) A telling example of how you can spin stories
3) If I was American would make me more inclined to vote for him,
All in all one of the nastiest articles I've seen...
Fascinating on so many levels.
1) Put paid to the lie that Democrat supporters don't do character assassination
2) A telling example of how you can spin stories
3) If I was American would make me more inclined to vote for him,
All in all one of the nastiest articles I've seen...
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That and he is an old and very sick man, his VP is a nasty vindictive relgious fundamentalist and that is really all you need to know.
This is a more important US election than 2000, Palin would do the US and the World a great deal of harm and cause a lot of suffering.
Which is certainly more than we know about Barack Obama. All we ever see from this man are flowery, meaningless speeches about "change" - the one thing Obama has virtually no chance of bringing about. The real mystery is why on earth so many normally sensible right-wing thinkers have fallen for this. Iain Dale, for instance, recently wrote on his blog that he was supporting Obama. Has he gone mad?
When Palin was in charge of her state she made women who were raped pay for the testing kits. Do I have to say more?!
He certainly looked embarrassed by the nastiness displayed by his very supporters at rallies (''Obama is an Arab'', ''he's a terrorist'', and even "kill him" have been heard). However he has not put a stop to the negative campaigning, and he must take blame for allowing such disgraceful behaviour.
Here's a sample of the kind of people who attend Republican rallies
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us&eurl=http://forum.protestwarrior.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9427
In any case Flash, if you have been following the election campaign you must be aware that by a long margin the Republican camp and its machine have engaged in far, far worse and more frequent personal attacks than the Democrats. I can only hope the public can see such tactics for what they are and kick those bastards out office. For what's worth I think on the whole McCain is a decent man but the Republican Party is full of deeply unpleasant individuals and a worrying number of its supporters are plain old scum.
He was, I think he would have been a much better president than Bush, what he stood for in 2000 is the side of the Republicans I can agree with, he was considered a liberal.
Not scum, I know a lot of people with views like Palin, and on the whole they are not bad people, just completely lacking in an understanding that the world isnt black and white.
No strangely enough SG I follow the US election race quite closely.
But then frankly I have begun to see absolutely not point in debating anything with you, your views are so obviously set and nothing anything anyone says makes the blindest bit of notice. Please dont take this personally but I find your views deeply scary.
To be fair the kill him comment related to the founder of the Weathermen - it comes out wrong in the cut of the clip, however the BBC have been pulling reports on some of the people attending the rallies as they feel it creates far too negative a view of McCain's general support in the US
But I must admit, I've gotta admire him for trying to reign it back - especially since the candidate isn't necessarily in charge of the whole campaign. Given the history of how extreme some campaigns have been in the US, where race is involved, I'd hoped to the Republican's wouldn't have played into that market - something Palin's comments haven't helped.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/10/getting_angry.html
There might be many backward but decent people amongst them, but anyone who subscribes to suggestions of Obama being an Arab (as if it mattered) or a terrorist are pure scum IMO. That the Republican Party makes no attempt to stop such libellous and insulting alegations at rallies and makes no apology for such outbursts goes to show what a profoundly nasty party they are.
I see where you're coming from with McCain, but Palin is pretty indefensible...
I don't think McCain has that much integrity but then does any politician? I think Palin is plainly an idiot. There are more reasons than I can list here really.
I think McCain would have been a credible vote were it not for Palin.
I find it sad that McCain, respected as a pretty decent and honourable guy is going to have his reputation forever tarnished by Sarah Palin and this desperate '08 White House attempt. He's lost what made him a 'decent' politician through his campaign being willing to do literally anything to win.
In US politics, the 'Democrat' and 'Republican' labels don't reveal the whole story - the Republican Main Street Partnership (of which McCain is still officially speaking a member of) can be more socially liberal than some Democrats... Basically, there's progressives and reactionaries within both parties. However, I don't think this holds true when it comes to presidential elections - given the transformation of McCain, a previously moderate and mainstream Republican.
If McCain had picked Joe Lieberman as his running mate I think he'd be way ahead in the polls. Liberman is a liberal as far as domestic politics goes - he's pro-choice, he supports gay rights, he supports gun control, etc - but on foreign policy, he's hawkish and very close to McCain. If Lieberman was McCain's VP nominee I think a lot of Hillary voters would have defected to McCain...
The race isn't over yet though - McCain/Palin could still win. In a McCain White House Palin would have zero influence - but given his age and health the risk she poses is still far too great. (And she'd be set up to run for president herself one day...)
Possibly, though it was the Town not the State
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/sep/22/palin-rape-kit-controversy/
More accurately it would be say that like many small towns Wasilla, often charged health insurance companies for rape kits, it wasn't something Palin introduced (or indeed possibly knew about)
It's such a long list is ridiculous. Apart from her being just stupid and allowing herself to buy into ideas that influenced her decisions as a policy maker rather than based on the evidence. Encouraging drilling for oil and opposing environmental sanctions because her oil company friends have had her believe threats to natural wildlife don't exist. Apposing aborting in any shape way or form and basically going back to fundamentalist principles about the way we carry out healthcare. If it's not in the bible, then your doctor will be forced to say no. Blatant corruption, she has been found guilty for abuse of power, she has appointed several of her school friends who were (allegedly) clearly not the best choice to plenty of well paid positions around the state of Alaska.
She doesn't have any idea about most major policies. She has never given a clear position on so many important issues, because she probably doesn't know what she's supposed to think.
I like the woman, I think she's extremely charismatic but she's just not cut out for the job. She isn't pushing for anything like Hilary Clinton was, she just landed the position and now just wants to try and look good by trying to be 'down to earth'. What positive change will she bring? Ask her that to her face and she doesn't really have an answer.
To be honest I didn't really care about those type of comments - it was the slurs on his military record which really riled me.
Perhaps I just have more time for the blokes who are out there, than carping journo's, who biggest risk is whether to claim a bit extra on expenses. It's a nasty, vile article.
Possibly, but he also play's to McCain's strengths and doesn't pick up the right-wing. Now you could argue that they'd vote for McCain anyway, but they're is also a risk that they just stay at home.
That said normally a VP only makes a slight difference, Palin may be the exception to this (partially due to the loathing she gets in some people and partially due to McCain's age).
She had policies that made a lot of sense to be honest though.
As for the thread... why do I see a repeat of the 2000 elections coming up? Back then, the polls were too close to call. The same trend is developing once more if you look at the polls now. I have an awful suspicion that the lawyers will be watching this election particularly closely.
#### McCain Obama
Rasmussen 45 50
Diageo 42 48
GWU 40 53
IBD 43 45
AVG 42.5 49
Difference on average of 6.5% in favour of Obama. Bear in mind the past week has been awful for McCain and that effect is still rippling. I.e. Palin being found guilty of abuse of power. Look on the BBC's website and the current trend is clear:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7360265.stm
But as with any shares, past perforamance isn't indicative of future performance, if tomorrow it turns out Obama has been hitting his wife then we could see a complete turnaround.
Can't be that bad when practically every other country is rushing to copy his measures..
Well the polls are not too close to call here. I suspect at this stage they show the biggest gap there has been at a US presidential campaign for the last couple of decades. The republicans could still win of course...
Brown is currently talking about creating a huge body to keep an eye on the global markets - similar to a worldwide version of the Financial Services Authority. The idea was initially mooted by Roosevelt & Churchill back in the 1940s - not only is he bringing back corpses from Labour's past, he's bringing back ideas from even further back as well. Why should anyone listen seriously to anything this idiot proposes? He's the one who put in place a failed regulatory regime in the UK, and he wants to introduce a global one, presumably with him heading it. And people seriously think this man is our saviour, some kind of superhero? It makes you wonder what mind-inducing drugs our newspaper editors are taking! Only because what the rest of the world has tried so far isn't working. No one knows whether Macavity's plan of buying up the banks will work either. Give it another two or three weeks, and they almost certainly will be too close to call.
I thought the government later introduced payments to cancel out this? In any case the credit crunch has bugger all to do with it. The job of the government is to make sure the economy is stable and the State interferes as little as possible with the markets. In this the government has, on the whole, a very good record indeed. It is the banks and financial institutions who have got themselves in the whole they are in, make no mistake about that. They should be bloody grateful they are getting bailed out by the tax payer, considering they cream all the profits when things are well.
However much you dislike Brown, blaming him for the credit crunch is unjustified and unfounded. Might as well blame him for the Boxing Day tsunami.
Do you have a preference or are pretty neutral about it, out of curiosity?
I think you're probably right. Anyway, even if Obama gets more votes than McCain it doesn't mean he wins... lets not forget 2000.
Yep, I got my £60 back a few weeks ago, and now pay £10 less per month than I did for the previous 6 months.
Quite why anyone would want to lend their support to that bunch of (mostly) ultrafundamentlist scumbags is frankly beyond me. I mean, if you backed the Democrats you would still be supporting a party that is to the right of the Conservatives, so it's not as if it was a left vs. right issue.
Anyways, I am happy to see that Obama's lead has widened to a considerable 14 points:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/15/uselections2008-barackobama