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ID Problem
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I'm in a bit of a bollocked situation where I have nothing but an expired and damaged passport as my form of ID.
I'm going on holiday on the 30th August, and I have many events coming up where it's possible that I might need to flash some valid ID.
So, who can give me the rundown on the quickest form of valid ID that its possible to get?
Until I have something legally binding, I'm chancing my luck a fair bit with nights out. This is all down to the shameful ID policing in London pubs and bars. I don't look remotely under 18, but common sense rarely shines through with these people.
I'm going on holiday on the 30th August, and I have many events coming up where it's possible that I might need to flash some valid ID.
So, who can give me the rundown on the quickest form of valid ID that its possible to get?
Until I have something legally binding, I'm chancing my luck a fair bit with nights out. This is all down to the shameful ID policing in London pubs and bars. I don't look remotely under 18, but common sense rarely shines through with these people.
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It looks like I can get this Citizen Card in 5 to 7 days, which is good enough for me.
Thing is, I've been using my old passport to go out drinking through bars and clubs for the best part of 3 years and as a result - the passport is a crumpled, damaged heap.
That's why I'm looking for an alternate form of ID to carry around with me. One which isn't going to cost £97 to replace when I inevitably put it through the washing machine.
I don't know why, the checks are exactly the same as for a regular licence.
Maybe because its challenge 21,f you look under 21 they will ID you.
It does anoy me when people go on about shameful ID practices, end of the day, you either have ID or you dont. Think how you would feel if you lost your job and got a fine for serving someone under the age of 18.
I have friends who are 27, 28, 29 and they still get ID'd and refused entry if they don't have it on them. It's draconian measures to the max.
More to the point though, it's not that I'm annoyed that I can't get in somewhere without ID. It's that I can be refused entry for having a passport which states my age and happens to be out of date by a week or so. Utterly ridiculous and a hopeless failure of common sense.
So what about the people who look well over 18 but are infact 17?
Yes i know theres a lack of common sense in the world, in my places and peole.
But i hear your argument every weeked, simple solution is,ave valid ID.
If you have a bunch of 22 year olds, all with ID stating roughly the same age, and somebody amongst them who looks 22 but doesn't have ID on him...let him in.
If you have a group of guys who all look roughly 18 but don't have any ID to prove it...keep them out.
Sooner or later, I'll need ID to wipe my arse in Victoria's 20p-a-go toilets.
Which is actually illegal to do if he has been ID'd and doesnt have any.
I have major issues with the double standards that some of these pubs and clubs go by.
If you're a good looking girl outside a empty-ish club on a Saturday night, there's no way you're getting ID'd.
If you're with a group of 20 friends and ready to splash your cash outside an empty-ish pub on a Saturday night, there's no way you're getting ID'd.
I can understand why a club should be legally required to check for ID where there's a doubt over the guy's age. But if a guy looks 21, and has a passport that's slightly out of date which says he's 21, then he should be allowed in.
I think it's absolutely shambolic that a pub can turn around to me - after I've given them my custom for three years and they've seen me week in week out - and suddenly say "oh no, sorry pal, no ID."
Legal or not, it's pathetic, over-policed and completely lacking in common sense.
It is strange they won't accept a provicional licence though.
:yes:
On my till the other day it asked me to ID somebody for buying a computer magazine
Can anybody tell me why a passport thats expired cant be used?
Mine expired the 1st of july but I've got a full drivers lisence.
Just a quiet word in the ear of "better get that renewed soon" should suffice. As long as people don't abuse it by bringing in passports that are years expired, it shouldn't make a difference.
If the citizen card is a no-go, I'm not quite sure what I'm gonna apply for. I might just take a chance and bring the expired passport along with some token documents like a birth certificate.
Throw enough legal documents at them and one's bound to stick.
The thing is, by law, they are not allowed to accept it.
I don't think many places accept this. I learnt that the hard way last year.
Do pubs/shops accept NUS cards? If not, it looks like I'm going to have to buy a passport. (Don't drive for medical reasons, therefore can't get a provisional)
Now you mihsy "just check the date of birth but you cant go having one rule for one lot, and one fo another.
As for the pass cards, quite easy to sort one out showing a false age on
For reference, here's three laws governing the sale of alcohol in a nutshell:
It's illegal to serve alcohol to someone who is under the age of 18.
It's illegal to serve alcohol to someone over 18 who intends to supply it to a minor.
It's illegal to attempt to buy alcohol when you are under the age of 18.
Those people who don't have any, and then complain about it, have no one but themselves to blame. I refused countless people, and few people ever accepted it quietly. I'd either end up getting a load of abuse for daring to do my job properly. Either that, or this person's parents would come in with them later to try buying it. I couldn't sell it to them either, because I knew they were going to give that straight to him. At that point, they'd normally demand to see my manager. (if he wasn't already there) One person openly said that I should break the law and risk losing my job simply so he could have a few cans of Carling. I'm not making this up!
One other thing you might wish to know. Let's say a group of young people came to a bar or a shop wanting to buy alcohol together. The attendant or bar staff would be completely within their rights to ask every single person in the group for ID. Indeed, they'd usually be expected to do this. Myself, I would have no problem whatsoever with being asked for ID - I'd see it as something of a compliment myself. I'd be more than happy to show them my drivers licence, despite the fact my photo on there makes me look like a mass murderer.
Today, I work as an arcade attendant and we have an over-18s section there as well. We apply the law in exactly the same way there, and have to ask for ID whenever we see anyone who we think is under the age of 21. The fact is, being asked for ID nowadays is a normal part of being a young adult, so there really isn't an excuse for having any. Tough shit. Had you known that you'd be travelling, you should have checked this weeks, maybe even months in advance to make sure it would cause no problems. This is entirely your own fault.
I actually know of very few places that accept anything other than a passport or driving licence.
If people are 18, why do they not have any ID, you shouldnt have to carry ID around with you all the time, but if you are going out drinking, or any other age restricted activity (especially childrens rates on the buses or student discount) bring ID with you :P
Well its stupidity to refuse a non alcoholic drink and then serve them afterwards, what the point might have been, was that they shouldnt have even been on the premesis, therefore not allowed to be served anything, if they were under 18.
So yes, why did Orange had to make it so hard, yet I had no problems getting onto British Gas, my water company or insurers? Even buying a house didn't ask for that much ID FFS!