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Spanish cabinet has its first female majority
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2008/apr/14/spain.gender
This will be interesting to watch the developments over time. Perhaps this is the way forward ... if there had been more females in our cabinet, maybe we would not have gone to war in Iraq.
This will be interesting to watch the developments over time. Perhaps this is the way forward ... if there had been more females in our cabinet, maybe we would not have gone to war in Iraq.
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Condoleezza Rice and Margaret Thatcher are hardly ardent pacifists... And I don't think Hillary Clinton is either.
At what, exactly? What he was 'at' has never been fully explained.
So .... a few examples makes ALL women less fit to be involved in decisions of war?
Based on what? Did a smaller percentage of the women in parliament vote against the Iraq war than men?
Genocide against groups of his own people.
Invading a neighbouring state.
Having and using illegal chemical weapons .
Harbouring and assisting international terrorists.
Four offences that individually make a regime change legal. Saddam did all of them over the course of his regime. We can argue about the methods and timing of the regime change, or America and Europes role in the original abuses (selling weapons and so on), but to try and make the case that removing Saddam isn't morally justified is just ignorant.
You seemed tp be implying that Saddam wasn't "at anything" before he was removed.
Well, at the time prior and including invasion, he wasn't commiting genocide against groups of his own people, invading a neighbouring state, having and using illegal chemical weapons or harbouring and assisting international terrorists. He was guilty of most of these crimes in the past.
He was, however, initially accused of developing WMD ... which was quickly changed to the points you mentioned, as a reason to invade. Although, if this WAS the reason to invade, why didn't the UN back the US and Britain?
Anyhow, this is going off topic ...
Actually, I shall withdraw this post ... (if I could) ... this current cabinet has a few witches in it.
But if Hussein would have had more women in his cabinet... :chin:
Oh wait! What if HE was a woman! Maybe Georgina would have relaxed, unless it was that time of the month.
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:crazyeyes
You haven't been married, have you?
Bingo...
We were of course actively facilitating his ability to keep "at it".
Well I don't support the war, mainly because Afghanistan was going on. And I think the whole WMD crap was a huge political cock up by our government. But he was arming Libya at the time (who mysteriously contacted the US and UK shortly after the war to peacefully settle it - I wonder why), and terrorist suspects were still having to be let go because they were travelling on diplomatic passports. And which country do you think those diplomatic passports were from? That's right, Iraq.
But anyway, I agree, off topic, so fuck it.
It is certainly interesting that one of the women in the Spanish cabinet has been given the Defence post- the first time it happens in Spain and indeed still unheard of in most nations.
No but it's a landmark in terms of women's representation don't you think? Where in most western countries as far as I know the majority of politicians are still white men from middle class backgrounds.
Why the negative attitude? I've seen you post in two threads and you've been whinging in both.
Precisely. But for years men were voted in because of what they have between their legs. That's not to say they weren't competent, but a woman would have to be much better than an equivilent man to stand a fair chance of becoming an MP. The fact that women now outnumber men in spain's cabinet is an indication that things are changing, which is why it's noteworthy
So there are more women than men in Spain's cabinet? Big deal. How many of these ministers are going to prove competent, how many of these ministers will prove that they are up to the job of running massive government departments? That's what we should be discussing, not whether they've got a pair of breasts on them.
Tut tut, you're English history aint up to scratch.
Matilda.
Heck even Elizabeths sister was Queen before her.
Cheeky git
If a day arrives when the major parties are dominated by women, and subsequent leaders are elected by those women as opposed to the old male guard, I do believe on average we would see a lot less hostility and chest beating nationalism in politics. Certainly in most democratic Western nations.
Girls can be some of the nastiest creatures around, and I do believe that this is only disguised due to maternal instinct which calms it down.
In playgrounds and school girls are plain vicious. Even at my age so many of my girl-friends fall out with their fgirl-friends, whilst boys are more stable on that regard (for some reason I have adopted the don't give a shit attitude, so not really bothered about things which other friends have massive freak-outs about).
We might not be obvious about the domination wars, but I don't for a second believe in less wars if females were made to rule. It would just be a different sort of way that conflicts would be played out.