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Gordon rekons imigrants were a help
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whaaat ? so according to gordon brown the fact that hundreds of thousands of people turn up take our jobs overcrowd our public services and send home the cash was a help to the nation what did he train as ?
all the poles are going home ! GREAT now perhaps I'll have more jobs to choose from
all the poles are going home ! GREAT now perhaps I'll have more jobs to choose from
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But lazy Brits won't do the jobs so...
I know quite a few Poles in my area and most of them have 5 or 6 people sharing a 2 bedroom flat 'cos they send most of their money back to Poland. So they actually put very little of it back into the local community ...
Did a pole steal ajob with your name on it? Forgive me for being obtuse but, wouldn't you have got that job if you were the best person for it regardless, how does where you were born influence your suitability for a job?
I enjoyed that.
As we all are on these islands ...unless of course the great british public evolved all on their own here ...nice and seperate from the nasty foriegners. But ...where are you from ...your family ?
Are you happy that immigrants make up part of the Royal family?
Pretty much true here... I doubt our economy would function half as well if we didn't have the cheap labour. If Brits want £8 an hour for a job Poles will do for minimum (Sometimes under) wage, they will get the job.
Welcome to the supply and demand based economy. If Brits want the jobs, they must accept lower wages. It's how the "invisible hand" of the free market works. And it has nothing to do with General Greivous, ok?
lets here the positives then
ah finally someone that actually knows what goes on its the same in italy they came from albania worked like dogs lived cheaply and sent all the spare cash home
Mr brown is jkust trying to cover the cockups they've made in letting so many in without even knowing
erm I have had things said or letters written to the effect of, we are really sorry but its not that you not qualified but we had so many applicants dooooo do I need qualification to do labouring ? I don't think so
So? Even if they are does that actually hurt us?
They will presumably still be paying tax, and spending money on food and travel.
If it's true that millions of people on benefits simply don't want work, then it's a fucking good thing there are immigrants about prepared to do those jobs, isn't it?
FFS... :rolleyes:
better still to stick them in a damn job and if they don't like the job they don't get benefits back !
of course there are scours of employers that only want people with experience, so if your just out of school or are changing work sector your in the shit
I'd be more than happy to be a plumers apprentice and train as a plumber but thats old fashioned now and no I don't have the money to get qualifications,
I'm still waiting for them to remember that they said they'd take a look at my italian qualifications and get them converted,
In many countries if there is a problem with unemployment, the residents will up and leave to a coutnry where there is a higher average wage (i.e. the UK), but that just spreads the problem of unemployment. Really when the EU was thought up, the idea was that it would lead to lots of investment in countries like Poland to bring them up with lots of high paying jobs like western Europe. The reality has been an influx of economic migrants (I guess you could call them vagrants - travelling to where the work is).
Although there are lots of benefits for the economy of course, there is a need to have control on it to prevent the negative effects such as areas where there is relatively low unemployment being inundated with vagrants (I don't mean that in a derogatory way, just as a descriptive term) causing high levels of unemployment. Compounded by a lot of the wages not being spent in the UK (UK retail has been dropping past couple of years steadily) and instead sent abroad, it culminates to paint a picture of a strong economy that has been thrown in the fryer so to speak, and is reacting strongly. In the end all things will find an equilibrium, and people will be more or less happy.
But in the short term there are damaging effects. It's similar to Margeret Thatcher closing down the mines. It was cheaper and hence we benefitted in the long run, but the way she closed them down was abrupt to put it one way and caused a lot of social problems.
There is a lot of speculation on this thread, not to mention perpetuation of myths and unproven claims.
Some of them are pretty idiotic. If all those immigrants sent their earnings home, how exactly do they survive?
Oh I get it... they must be thieving and mugging to sustain themselves, perhaps.
For the poorest people immigration lowers wages, that's inevitable as they will work for less, but for most people there is no difference at all to their lives. You can see this as a positive or as a negative. If there's no difference then why not let them stay, it doesn't matter to most people so live and let live.
I actually quite like the Polish influence in this country. The Polish foodstores are lovely and its nice to see pubs re-opening as part of the Polish community. The more variety the better. I, for one, would hate to go back to the days when the only spaghetti came in tins and Vesta was as exotic as food managed to come.
Suddenly the native builders, who in disturbingly high numbers were little more than rip-off unreliable cowboys, have found themselves in competition with people who will actually turn up when they're supposed to, will do the job on time and on budget, will do a good job to boot, and will not take the piss and try to rip customers off with non-existent problems that need fixing.
If they don't spend much of their money locally, they are not putting money back into the community - thereby not generating more tax for the government via VAT etc.
By the way, I am not anti-immigration. I just find it very hard to believe that unbridled immigration is as 'rosy' as you seem to make it out to be. There has to be a downside somewhere, whatever that is ... e.g. pressure on schools, for instance. But it doesn't seem to be politically correct to mention it.
So you base your argument on a few Polish workers you know
Some people will send money abroad, so what its theirs and they've earned it. Do you not think they will spend money in local shops and businesses here? are they working tax-free or does some of their wages go back to the Treasury? and what about the rent on these overcrowded flats you mention?
For a skilled labourer, yes you do need qualifications.
Rolly right, it's a nation built on immigrants, before the Polish it was the Irish who were building the nation.
the one thing I never see is an apprentice position they seem to have gone out of fashion but I would find it ideal
well if someone is willing to train me I'll go build it (as part of the workforce - not single handedly lol)