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Race classifications

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
The race thread in Relationships made me think about this because I didn't know how to class my own race in terms it would be understood in here... is the classification supposed to be by colour of skin, or nationality of origin, or blood heritage, or cultural upbringing, etc?

There are so many different classifications and mixed races now-a-days that I think it gets pointless after a while anyway, don't you think?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bluewisdom wrote: »
    There are so many different classifications and mixed races now-a-days that I think it gets pointless after a while anyway, don't you think?

    No. If this were true, we wouldn't know where to direct our hate.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think race is a very useful term. I mean a Middle Eastern person is identical in physical features to a western European, with the exception of their skin colour, but we identify them as a seperate race because they might be a seperate group within our community. I'd guess that as most people know them, there are three distinct races as far as physical features go, and that's asian (the East asian variety), caucasian, and african, and everything else is simply variations in skin tone, hair colour, eye colour, etc. But it's all bullshit really.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is no such thing as race (outside of some outdated world views). When we're talking about 'black' or 'white' and other classifications it pretty much is strictly a description of phenotype.

    If you want to describe your ethnic group that's another story.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I believe that race is a social construct tbh.

    Sadly a lot of people do not and use it to bully others.

    If you have parents of different 'race' then you're considered to be 'mixed race' apparently, which is a broad term. However, I'm white, so I can be flippant about my own 'race' (or self-flagellating) as we haven't experienced years of slavery and racism.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I mean a Middle Eastern person is identical in physical features to a western European, with the exception of their skin colour

    I'd have to disagree. It's more than possible to tell apart with a relatively high degree of accuracy which country (or at least, region) a Western European is from by their physical features, nevermind telling apart a Western European and a Middle Eastern.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I believe there are differences all around the world, it's pretty obvious so to a degree I believe in races. But all this "white" and "black" stuff is a construct imo.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Far too much is made of the colour of someone's skin. It really doesn't matter. I couldn't care less whether you're white, black, brown, pink, green - whatever. We're all part of the human race, and that's the only race which really matters.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Far too much is made of the colour of someone's skin. It really doesn't matter.

    Side point to this; anyone noticed how in TV/movies these days, when describing someone their skin colour is completely left out? Even in some police shows where something like black skin colour would be the deciding factor in the recognition of someone in a mostly white society.

    A petty gripe, but it's still pretty annoying.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nope, the races are real. It's written in the Runes or Aryas! "we must secure a white homeland, and a future for white childeren"







    nyuk nyuk.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I remember at school when other boyz would go around saying "You're a HomoSapien"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    DG wrote: »
    I remember at school when other boyz would go around saying "You're a HomoSapien"

    And when girls used to say "You're a neanderthal!". True racism if ever I heard it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kiezo wrote: »
    And when girls used to say "You're a neanderthal!".

    Never heard that in the playground .. who'd you go to school with ?? Fred Flintstone?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'd have to say here, IMO there's no such thing as a particular skin colour - we're all different tones of beige, some darker than others, I belive anyway! Therefore why call one group of people white and another black - they're not that colour, if u see what I mean!

    But defining your ethnic group, that's a bit different I think :chin:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If I'm describing someone to somebody who may not realise who I am talking about them then I will use their skin colour just as I would if they had blonde hair or were tall.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'd have to say here, IMO there's no such thing as a particular skin colour - we're all different tones of beige, some darker than others, I belive anyway! Therefore why call one group of people white and another black - they're not that colour, if u see what I mean!

    ...that's getting into completely irrelevant and unnecessary semantics.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Would people who distinguish between 'race' and 'ethnic group' care to elaborate the difference please?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kiezo wrote: »
    ...that's getting into completely irrelevant and unnecessary semantics.

    it was just her opinion

    no wonder people are scared to post here
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    it was just her opinion

    no wonder people are scared to post here

    And Gob forbid people debating their opinions in this of all forums.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kiezo wrote: »
    And Gob forbid people debating their opinions in this of all forums.

    I'm sorry. It didn't seem like an open invitation for her to debate with you. Just appeared as if you were being rude unnecessarily.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm sorry.

    It's OK.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    neglected the other part but okay :wave:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bluewisdom wrote: »
    Would people who distinguish between 'race' and 'ethnic group' care to elaborate the difference please?

    Race is a concept that the differences between people are biological. That the characteristics of different societies are inate in the people who form them.

    An ethnic group is a particular culture or perception of heretige.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kiezo wrote: »
    It's OK.

    Lol, you're a prick. :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Namaste wrote: »
    Lol, you're a prick. :lol:

    I know leekspin.gif
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Race is a concept that the differences between people are biological. That the characteristics of different societies are inate in the people who form them.

    An ethnic group is a particular culture or perception of heretige.
    I thought in the term 'ethnic' biological characteristics were included besides cultural ones.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bluewisdom wrote: »
    I thought in the term 'ethnic' biological characteristics were included besides cultural ones.

    nope. Good luck trying to find a large enough biological difference between people from two different ethnic groups to figure out which is which.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    nope. Good luck trying to find a large enough biological difference between people from two different ethnic groups to figure out which is which.
    Well, that's exactly my point, that race classifications are really rather superfluous, and that today so-called 'race' classifications are really very much crossed with nationality, physical appereance, and even stereotypes, that I find the whole matter rather confusing in the end, as people really don't agree on how races should be classed anyway. (Which I imagine really derives from the fact that races aren't that differentiated after all).

    For example, in trying to define my own race on these boards I couldn't find a suitable term that would reflect in a trustworthy way to the readers what I roughly look like. Concretely, I hesitated between 'white' and 'hispanic', the latter which is used more in the USA and which makes me want to go like this :banghead: , since it really doesn't define anything at all. Is it supposed to mean people who descend from Spanish origin but are not currently Spaniards? (Because if they were they would be classed as 'white' or 'European', wouldn't they?) And then why would someone who descends from a Spanish origin have to be any different than the race of the spanish? The term assumes they would be different, which is not always the case for Latin-Americans - roughly the people who are being targeted with the 'Hispanic' label. Is Hispanic supposed to be the territories that were colonised by Spain? If so, that would be quite absurd, since there is more than one race in those territories. In addition to that, there are Latin Americans who don't descend from Spaniards but from other Europeans nations... why would they have to labeled as 'Hispanic' when they have nothing from Spain? Simply because they live in this territory? So, yeah, I think that term is quite misleading and so dismissed it.

    I did think of using the term 'latin' or 'latina' (latino refers to males) since Latin America is my region of origin, but then, I'm pretty sure that the prototype of Latin that springs to mind in most Europeans is different from what I look like. On the other hand, the term 'white' is usually reserved for Europeans or the inhabitants of USA and Canada, and other anglosaxon colonies. Therefore, I don't know if labelling myself 'white' (even though my skin is white) would really be "acceptable" according to common classifications (since these classifications aren't solely based on physical appearance and are often intercrossed with regions, thus excluding from their frame of mind the possibility of white Latin Americans for example).

    Anyway sorry for this long-winding confusing post, it just derives from the fact that ever since I have lived in a multinational environment I am currently quite sick to death of having to explain that I am actually Chilean, even if I don't *look* like it (as if other people knew better what we looked like :rolleyes: ), and also from becoming aware of all this 'racial competition' I see around me at the moment. I guess I have just realised that race does really matter to much more people than I thought.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kiezo wrote: »
    I'd have to disagree. It's more than possible to tell apart with a relatively high degree of accuracy which country (or at least, region) a Western European is from by their physical features, nevermind telling apart a Western European and a Middle Eastern.

    Yes, but they have the same basic facial features and construct in a way that black and asian people don't. You could paint a middle eastern man white, and he'd pass as Northern European, whereas you couldn't do the same to an African or South-East Asian. So like I said, the only difference is skin colour, and possible hair colour, whereas with the big three groups, there is a lot more that seperates them.

    But anyway, there's more biological differences within any given racial "group" than their is between one group and another, so it's all bollocks really.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bluewisdom wrote: »
    I guess I have just realised that race does really matter to much more people than I thought.

    It's wierd in America. Everyone is never just American, the always seem to have to add a European country in there. I think in Britain, most people might say where their parents are from, but wouldn't describe themselves as anything other than British (or English/Welsh, etc) most the time. I couldn't really identify myself as being a nationality of a country I've never been to, but in the American spirit, I'm Polish. ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It cracks me up the way Americans do that. So many of them are like "yeah I'm Irish", just because their great-grandad emigrated from there.
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