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Scottish independence
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I'm not an expert of British politics but as far as I know political forces in Scotland wants a Scotland that's not in GB at all.
Do you agree with this? IF so, why or why not?
One point I've noticed is control of vast oil resources on the Scottish continental shelf.
Do you agree with this? IF so, why or why not?
One point I've noticed is control of vast oil resources on the Scottish continental shelf.
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If they want to be independent (which i doubt the majority of Scots do want) let them.
They will so realise that selling haggis and whiskey only pay for so many prescriptions and tuition fees.
Scotland is better off with Britain than without.
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The SNP got in because they weren't Labour and now Alex Salmond has gone bat shit insane.
And we'll run out of bowler hats, stiff upper lips and the perverse love for a game as stupid as cricket that we important from south of the border.
That said recent polls suggest that support's going down.
But in all seriousness (although, I hate saying that phrase, because it's overused) - it would do more harm than good to both scotland and the rset of GB if they were a seperate nation than having the mutual benefits they enjoy atm.
I think if british parliament followed some of the scottish directives it would be a step forward though
Though I couldn't move to scotland, I'd be terrified of getting stabbed because they're all, as one person put it, 'hard fuckers'.
P.s. please replace all refs. to GB with UK, just realised they're not the same
(note: - Great Britain is the geographical area, United Kingdom is the political association of nations)
Thank you!! I never knew the difference and always got confused. That makes a lot of sense now.
About Scottish independence, have a vote, the majority wins. If anyone doesn't like it, move!
Personally i'd go for 60%, but with there also needing to be a turnout of 70% or the vote's void.
If between 50 and 60% voted for independence, I'd hold off, but committ to another vote in 5 years. If its below 50% I'd only commit to another vote when there's strong evidence the majority want it.
I think so. Isn't Scotland considered as a nation itself?
How does the Republic of Ireland survive? No oil or reserves of any valuable minerals yet the 4th highest GDP per capita in the world.
All countries in the UK should be independent.
AFAIK it's 55%.
Independent from what? It's not a country.
Where's the historical and cultural differences between Leicestershire and the rest of England? There isn't. There is in Cornwall and I know there is a Nationalist movement there too.
Why does that matter whatsoever. It's a democratic election, the people vote to be independent. Your opinion on whether there's a cultural difference isn't relevant. And I could equally say that Scotland doesn't have it's own culture. You can't argue against it because it's an opinion and neither position is possible to prove.
But having said that, there are plenty of areas of Britain with their own culture, just as much as Scotland. Unless you're claiming that the culture of Lancashire is the same as Surrey? Or that Merseyside doesn't have a unique musical scene? Or that Madchester wasn't unique to Manchester? Or a million other things that make areas unique. Okay then, there is a clear difference between North and South England, so should we be allowed to split if people voted for it? And then there is a huge historical rivalry between Lancashire and Yorkshire, so presumably they'd be allowed to split down further still?
Really, so Scotland doesn't have a unique language, dress, dance, musical culture than England? Ever hear a Scots Gaelic person talk? Talking shite mate.
So where is the historical background to these places having been independent, then being invaded? Any evidence?
It was just a throwaway example anyway, since I live in Leicestershire
And actually the town of Leicester is quite culturally different now, it's a mini-India. No tuc tucs yet though
I was just wondering whether Scotland taking a vote for independence is legitimate. According to the oh so faithful source wikipedia:
Every area was once part of a smaller kingdom, and sometimes they do want independence but should a vote automatically give that? I mean in England we had Mercia, Kent, Northumbria, East Anglia and all sorts.
I think it would have the b the parliament in Westminster who decided whether Scotland should be afforded independence in the current state of things, a referendum would just be an official poll as far as I'm aware.
Those were kingdoms back in the time of the Danish rulers, pre-1066. Do you know anybody who wishes to return to these times? England is actually one of the oldest countries in the world.
Everywhere was independent and seperate once. How far back do you want me to go?
But if they did, I assume they'd have your full support? After all, they'd have a historical precident for it.
Sure but do they have the numbers?
I wouldn't guess so, but then it was always a hypothetical. Just trying to get your criterea for who should be allowed independence.
Really? I find that hard to believe. You trying to say the differences between North and South England are the same as the differences between Scotland and England, try saying that to a Scottish person, or an English person for that matter.
Historical claim to land. Cultures develop through isolation, to develop a uniqueness that separates themselves from others. Hence language, tradition, music, dress, dance etc etc. It's evident in Scotland, it's evident in Wales, it's evident in Ireland and it's even evident in Cornwall.
Oh dear.
As far as there's still a desire among the people to be independent.
Exactly. So basically, anyone from anywhere can make a claim that they were once independent (could be 10,000 years ago), and you would support it. So all this bullshit about culture isn't relevant whatsoever, because the will of the people is all that matters. It's like trying to get people to prove that their's is a "real" religion. It's as real as anything else someone might believe in.
But you need a cultural claim to it as well, there's no point wanting to go back to the days of Mercia and whatever if there's no one there who practices the culture. The Scottish culture is still alive and well today, therefore they have a viable claim to independence.
As I've said though, is it legitimate?