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I never said that. What I said was to get to work for the best company in any particular field, you need to do the best course in that field, because they're not going to be impressed by a less respected course just because it's from a high profile university. Of course a more respected university will get you more offers of general employment, but specific and competitive careers look at the individual course much more than which university it came from. The top law firms, for example, will be much more impressed by a 1st in the best law course in the country, than they would by a 1st in a law degree from the best university in the country (assuming the two aren't the same). If you've got a specific career plan, and want to do well in it, it's better to go for the best course you can get on. If you don't know what you want to do, and want to keep your options open a bit, it's probably better to go into the best university you can.
The best companies in investment banking: Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan etc
The best companies in accountancy: PricewaterhouseCoopers, Deloitte, Ernst & Young, KPMG
The best companies in law: Clifford Chance, Slaughter & May, Freshfields, Linklaters, A&O
The best companies in consultancy: McKinsey, Bain, BCG
The best companies in media: BBC, Guardian, Times
etc
For all of the above examples, someone who did any completely irrelevant degree from a top 10 uni has a very good chance of accessing those sort of firms, more than someone at a uni with less overall prestige but good for the course in question. For example, Birmingham and Reading have really good specialised Banking & Finance courses, but you'll see many more people with an Oxbridge Classics or Law degree working as bankers than those from good courses at lesser-ranked unis.
Obviously if you know what you want to do, picking the relevant course at a top uni helps, but you're entirely wrong to say if you want to work at the best firm for your field, that requires you to do the right course - and this is proven by just looking at the sort of degrees graduates at all the above firms have. ~50% of magic circle trainee solicitors don't even have a law degree, more likely any old degree at a top uni then a conversion course.
I don't really get why he's been banned anyway.
Me neither, i noticed today and tried looking back at his posts but saw nothing. Anyone care to explain?
I'm a member of another UK student forum and people from a variety of backgrounds get on fine and respect one another's opinion. Why is there such rudeness from both sides several times in this subforum?
I want to get into a graduate scheme of some sort after I finish but I'm really not sure what area I want to go into.
I'm likely to get a 2:1 (or better) from a decent university (Edinburgh). I'm not really sure what sorta jobs I should be aiming to get. Think I need to speak to a career advisor.
Also, I know you have to apply to alot of graduate schemes in November if you're graduating the following June, however, if you plan to travel for year, can you put off applying, or do you still have to apply and defer?
Ricardo has some sensible comments with good examples, and sees both sides of the story.
If you are thinking of going to uni, you need to be pretty sure you are going to benefit from your degree. Will it be more important for what you want to be doing in 3 years time that you have that degree, or that you've had 3 years in work? Will that difference be worth £12k of debt? Can you see yourself spending 35 hours a week devoted to your course? Are you prepared to put up with some of the prats you'll meet at uni, and the beauracrary of universities and student finance? Are you really looking forward to it?
If the answer is yes to most of them, then go for it, if you're still not sure about the answers, then think hard.
:yes: If you can out up with all that plus have the motivation to do the course, you cant sail through the three years of a degree. If the commiment and motivation isnt there then you are more then likely to drop out. You need to work out what you want to do career wise as well, if you still dont have a clue after doing your degree it might not be a good thing.
You dont need a degree for many things these days anyway. I left school at 18, was a accounting body member with letters after name at 21 after spending three years working and studying and I'm pretty happy with my career so far. I refuse to let choosing not to go to uni hold me back.
You rarely see the posts by people that get them banned, they are usually deleted because the level of insult means it's inappropriate for them to continue to be published by us.
In this case Jomery's continual re-registrations under different guises had already been a problem, as had his insults about the users here (though that was on a different website), but a vicious and ranting insult to stargalaxy in this thread was absolutely the final straw. It was deleted so as not to cause further offense, which is why you can't see it looking at his posts.
Why? One reason is he was a complete prick. But im sure there is another reason.
so he was a troll? Which other website was this i wonder? :chin:
For a high flying city boy, he has an awful lot of spare time on his hands to spend bickering with strangers on message boards.
Moving on to more significant matters, I’ve split one particular post slightly;
(1) Yep.
(2) I suspect I’m going to end up more than £12,000 in debt, I’m afraid. The issue of debt scares the hell out of me, no matter what bollocks people say about it being interest-free and it being paid back after university.
(3) I spend around 48 hours per week over six days devoted to working in an arcade. Doing 35 hours over a course will be a doddle in comparison.
(4) I’ve met countless prats in my life. A few more aren’t going to bother me. As for the bureaucracy of universities and student life, everything’s more bureaucratic nowadays. It isn’t an issue at all.
(5) No, I’m not looking forward to it one bit. I’m not doing this because I actively want to – I’m doing it out of necessity. There are few other realistic ways of getting out of poverty and unemployment in the area I live. The city dwellers on here will never understand that.
I think it may have been slightly provoked but Jomery had been (on other threads) winding him up. I suspect it's a combination of things, the mods here are pretty reasonable and they had tried to let it run its course, and it clearly wasn't happening!
it was like a website awards site where thesite had been nominated in some category. people could leave comments about thesite at the end of an article. lots of people from here had written good comments bigging the place up a bit, but jomery left one basically saying we were all rude and mocking.
hypocrite much?
And thats the bit I've never got. There are other ways of getting out of the area you live in. If your going to uni because you have to, not because you want to, I can see you either dropping out again or hating the whole three years.
Also, I'm hardly the first person to go to university, because there are few other options open to them for improving their lot.
If you're living in a place like Manchester, the chances are that even if you find out that uni isn't for you, you might have an easier way of applying for jobs in the city that would help you as it's easier to go for interviews, hand in CVs, find a different place to live and so on.
With places like uni, it can be hard to realistically asess whether it's suited to your needs or not until you start or get into it. Some people find themselves more motivated, others call it quits.