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Betting Odds

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Ok, following on from the reporting posts thread in Anything Goes, would somebody be able to explain betting odds to me, pleeease :D

I don't understand what the numbers mean, and what the difference is when the numbers are on different sides of the / etc.

I'd be really grateful if someone could explain :wave:

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Try reading this, they keep it quite simple :thumb:

    But on Betfair and the likes, they use decimals odds, which are much easier to deal with.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Calvin wrote: »
    Try reading this, they keep it quite simple :thumb:

    But that leaves out the whole 11 to 4 type odds, its often not to a ratio of 1. Obviously understanding X-1 odds are easy, but when its something 11-4 the maths become a little more complicated.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah the article explains it pretty well - but essentially it's about what the stake is multiplied by -

    so a 5/1 odd means that you win 5 times the stakes plus the original bet -

    5/1 £1 bet = 5 pound winnings + 1 bet returned = £6

    1000/1 £1 bet = £1000 winnings + £1 bet returned = £1001

    so the higher the numbers for the odds on the left, the better the bet.

    So a sure thing would be -

    1/2 £1 bet = 50p winnings plus £1 stake returned = 1.50

    You also get wierd odds as well to reflect precise betting - so things like

    7/2 £1 bet = £3.50 winnings plus £1 stake = £4.50 (I think...)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    budda wrote: »
    But that leaves out the whole 11 to 4 type odds, its often not to a ratio of 1. Obviously understanding X-1 odds are easy, but when its something 11-4 the maths become a little more complicated.

    You divide the bet by the second number, then times by the first - but I may be wildly and embarressingly out there.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    You divide the bet by the second number, then times by the first - but I may be wildly and embarressingly out there.

    Think you might be right there Jim. I find fractional betting akward, I have really got used to decimals odds on Betfair. Would quite like to see fractional odds done away with. I guess it was like using inches and feet, then changing to centimeters and meters.

    :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How do decimal odds work? I never figured that one out myself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    You divide the bet by the second number, then times by the first - but I may be wildly and embarressingly out there.

    I'm pretty sure thats how it works, though frankly I've never bet on anything other than the lottery and their odds are about 200 billion to one.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yeah the maths get complicated for anything you'll never ever win :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I always figure with the decimal odds you just times the bet by the decimal - so wouldn't the odds for 2/1 be 2.00? However not really seen decimal odds so not sure.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    I always figure with the decimal odds you just times the bet by the decimal - so wouldn't the odds for 2/1 be 2.00? However not really seen decimal odds so not sure.

    :yes:

    Decimal odds include the unit stake 4/1 (fractional) for example is displayed as 5.0 in decimal odds. To calculate your return on a bet, simply multiply your stake by your odds. £100 at 2.50 would therefore return £250. £20 at 5.00 would return £100 – these returns include your stake.

    I was brought up using decimal odds, so thats perhaps why I find it easier. Guess it just what works best for you really.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ah so they add one to reflect the stake being returned. So 2.00 would actually be a 1/1 bet not a 2/1 bet to reflect the stake and the 2/1 bet would actually be 3.00 (the 2/1 plus 1). I see...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    Ah so they add one to reflect the stake being returned. So 2.00 would actually be a 1/1 bet not a 2/1 bet to reflect the stake and the 2/1 bet would actually be 3.00 (the 2/1 plus 1). I see...

    :yes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    shadow wrote: »
    oh god im confused :confused::confused:

    Me too :crying:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Calvin wrote: »
    I was brought up using decimal odds, so thats perhaps why I find it easier. Guess it just what works best for you really.

    Father and son down the betting shop?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Me too :crying:

    What dont you understand?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just stick with first few replies to get the gist of it and don't read anything that mentions 'decimal' kate
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    budda wrote: »
    Father and son down the betting shop?

    :lol: Nah, my dad doesn't even bet.

    I was lucky at university one of our lectures is the head of the betting reserach unit. He was a big fan of Betfair and taught us using the Betfair model.

    He used to give us tips and everything :D. Aslong as we didnt complain if it went wrong.

    :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I never gamble, though I understand how odds work. I don't know why I don't gamble, it's a bit weird really- I even get a bit pissed off when DD brings raffle tickets home from school.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't know, I just find it so confusing :(

    ok, so the smaller the numbers on either side, the more chance of winning? because that site said 2/1 was good, but Jim said 1/2 was good too? I get that the less chance of winning, the more money you will get though. so, if someone says good odds, do they mean more chance of winning, or more money if they did win? And what about random different numbers on each side of the /? Ooo, i think my head's going to explode with trying to work it out :(
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Right here's a list of odds. The one's at the top are really unlikely - going down to really likely

    1000000000/1
    1000000/1
    10000/1
    1000/1
    10/1
    5/1
    4/1
    7/2 - effective 3.5/1 but you can't ever use fractions
    3/1
    2/1
    1/1 or evens - essentially this means it should happen but you'll win fuck all
    1/2 - very, very likely - no real chance to won't happen.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You know we have got a chat on gambling problems coming up soon, though I don't think this was the kind of 'problem' they meant :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good odds means something different Kate - good odds means that you think there's a better chance of it happening than the bookies do.

    So Calvin says he's 90/1 to get banned. Since I know that's going to happen in about 23 minutes it's really, really god odds. Since after all he gets banned in 22 minutes from now and I make a huge amount of money...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im going to spam you Kate :D

    If your intrested enough you could buy this book. Its really good at explaining both fractional and decimal odds betting, its written for the layman and has some handy little tips for the gambler within you. ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    So Calvin says he's 90/1 to get banned. Since I know that's going to happen in about 23 minutes it's really, really god odds. Since after all he gets banned in 22 minutes from now and I make a huge amount of money...

    :lol: I will have to see if Helen will accept a bribe, in order to watch my back. :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    19...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Damn, Helen isnt online.... :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh dear, I understand all of of that (including the decimal odds). Bloody A level maths and too much time spent in the casino. :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote: »
    You know we have got a chat on gambling problems coming up soon, though I don't think this was the kind of 'problem' they meant :)

    :lol:

    Thanks anyway, the list of odds helped :) and bigger numbers are used on the right when you can't use decimals in a fraction odds?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :lol:

    Thanks anyway, the list of odds helped :) and bigger numbers are used on the right when you can't use decimals in a fraction odds?

    Generally yes. You cant combine fractions and decimals, so you cant have 3.5/1 but you can have 7/2.
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