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The hunt for Maddie McCann

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Terrible news, what do you think has happened to her? There were talks that there is a possibility that she could of been taken out of the country, now Interpol and Europol are involved. People seem to be dissin the local police for not doing enough but us British people always expect things to be done the way we do them. Do you think they could be doin more? Maybe the involvement of Interpol and Europol is a positive step?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think they can do anymore than they are already doing.

    TBH, I don't have any sympathy for the parents - they left their children alone whilst they were out and the oldest (Maddie) is only something like 3/4?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote: »
    I don't think they can do anymore than they are already doing.

    TBH, I don't have any sympathy for the parents - they left their children alone whilst they were out and the oldest (Maddie) is only something like 3/4?

    Ditto. I feel sorry for anyone that has a child snatched, but leaving a 3 year old, and even smaller babies on their own? They're lucky whoever it was didn't take all their children.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote: »
    TBH, I don't have any sympathy for the parents - they left their children alone whilst they were out and the oldest (Maddie) is only something like 3/4?

    Yes what a truly devastating mistake. How someone can't have sympathy for them though astounds me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote: »

    TBH, I don't have any sympathy for the parents - they left their children alone whilst they were out and the oldest (Maddie) is only something like 3/4?

    Agreed

    i do think its a terrible shame and i hate to think about whats happenin to her i hope they find her very soon
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think it was the Guardian that said they were sat within 100 metres of the apartment, checked in every half hour and could see the apartment from where they were sat eating.

    Clearly it wasn't enough, but I feel for them deeply - that doesn't sound like neglect to me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No i dont think it was neglect just very careless im sorry but no matter how close the resturaunte was to the room they shouldnt have been left on their own
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's such awful news, at first I thought to myself how on earth could they go out and leave their children alone but to be honest I think its something that many parents on holiday probably do and as was said the apartment was in view and they made regular checks, even though I still think that their actions were irresponsible I still think that this situation is devastating and they certainly have my sympathy! I hope that Maddie is ok!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote: »
    TBH, I don't have any sympathy for the parents - they left their children alone whilst they were out and the oldest (Maddie) is only something like 3/4?

    ... and they will live with that for the rest of their lives. Every single day they will question themselves.

    I have huge sympathy. There but for the grace of god...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No way is it neglect. My parents did the same thing with me on holiday and used to go to the bar downstairs in the hotel whilst checking in on us. It's really unfortunate and I hope that she is found.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My parents never ever left us alone when i was that young, and i didn't think anyone else with any sense would do it either. Theres loads of things children that age could do in the space of half an hour.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Surely if they are at fault then so are the parents of Sarah Payne and Holly and Jessica as they weren't with them at the time. Surely she was safer than them as she was in a locked room.
    I don't believe they are to blame.

    I only named those two cases as they are the two I remember.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think those of us who aren't parents can get too judgamental... parenting is about balancing risks and living a reasonable life as much as anything else. Perhaps they shouldn't have left the kids on their own but at the end of the day they were checking at regular intervals.

    In effect that is no different from having the kids sleeping by themselves in a different room of the house. And children have been snatched from houses before. Are the parents of such children poor at parenting simply because they did not hear someone breaking in?

    I guess now you have those microphones so you can hear what goes on in the room next door, but those have been around for what? 30 years? Does that mean that every single parent in human history who left their kids alone in a different room before the 1970s was a bad parent?

    My main concern actually would be one of the children suffocating or something... but you could hardly expect someone breaking in at such place.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You can't really compare cases of the likes of Sarah Payne as she was older, in her own country and with her older brothers (or sister) and with Holly Wells and Jessica, again, they were older, in their home country and taking to the care taker of the school, who people thought was trustworthy, and who the children of course knew.
    It is a tragic case, but no matter how close you were and how often you checked the children, in my opinion they shouldn't have been left, especially as the oldest was only 3. What is more important, a nice meal or safe children?
    And of course, it could still have happened if the parents were in the apartement, but the chances would have been reduced surely?
    The parents will never forgive themselves and will have to live with this forever.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lacy wrote: »
    My parents never ever left us alone when i was that young, and i didn't think anyone else with any sense would do it either. Theres loads of things children that age could do in the space of half an hour.

    Indeed, and that is why, personally, I wouldn't have done what those parents did. It is easy to second guess though. They have enough to worry about now without us condemning them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sarah and jessica were old enough to be out by themselves, theres no comparison in these cases. I think the parents were irresponsible leaving their babies and tot alone, there were childminding services in the complex which they didnt use apparently. I agree though that theres no point in condemning them, i just hope for all their sakes that the little girl is found. I can't think of anything more frightening for her family.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sugar wrote: »
    sarah and jessica were old enough to be out by themselves

    That's debatable.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That's debatable.

    well they were 10 years old, i think most 10 years olds are allowed out themselves. A friend of our familys little girl has just turned 12 and she goes shopping in town with her friends, and has been doing so for at least a year now.

    anyway, theyre not the issue, i think most people would agree that they wouldnt leave a 3 year old home alone, let alone in an apartment abroad alone. I wouldnt even leave valuables lying around an apartment abroad let alone children.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh dear, this is a horrible, horrible situation.

    I wouldn't say I don't feel sympathy, but it's difficult not to feel a bit horrified, too. I can completely understand why people feel upset - angry, even - with the parents because going for some daft meal is so inconsequential and the idea that it could cost you your child is just heartwrenching. Having seen the distance from their apartment to the restaurant on the news it was a risk that they definitely shouldn't have taken, but obviously that is by-the-by now. Like MoK said, they will blame themselves more than anyone else can heap blame... but children are so emotive for so many of us that it's hard not to get upset about this.

    I hate to go all conspiracy theory but it seems to me that she has possibly been targeted and the family have been watched, I don't think its a chance happening. It's so bizarre that they'd take one child, as well. This shouldn't be happening at all, and I really do feel for the parents but they are not without fault here and while the right thing to do would be sympathetic without judging... I find that pretty impossible. In this day and age, you can't afford to leave your kids in a position where they're vulnerable to accidents or danger in any shape or form. It's one thing nipping to answer the phone or go to the toilet while they're playing, it's another entirely to walk off for an evening meal leaving three infants alone. Saddest part being that you can't really do either without the finger of blame and negligence being pointed, but there are definitely degrees of severity there.

    All said, I truly hope she is found quickly and safely. It absolutely breaks my heart to think of her frightened and alone with strangers, poor little love.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It does appear that they were being watched and she was targeted specifically. I hate to sound depressing but i don't have much hope of them finding her alive. I really do hope that she'll be a lucky one that actually gets returned. I hope they catch the people that did this.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sofie wrote: »
    TBH, I don't have any sympathy for the parents

    Wow! Harsh!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wasn't there a little boy who disappeared in Greece years ago and was never found?

    It seems the longer the search goes on, the chances of finding her well and alive get smaller.

    I have a lot of sympathy for parents, I don't think people should judge.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    briggi wrote: »
    I hate to go all conspiracy theory but it seems to me that she has possibly been targeted and the family have been watched, I don't think its a chance happening. It's so bizarre that they'd take one child, as well.

    Yeah they have been saying in the news that she was targeted since day one. Perhaps it was just one man who abducted her so carrying 3 childen would have been a lot harder than just one. Eugh its sickening :(
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lacy wrote: »
    My parents never ever left us alone when i was that young, and i didn't think anyone else with any sense would do it either. Theres loads of things children that age could do in the space of half an hour.

    i was never left alone either when we've been on holiday my mum and dad if me and my sister we going bed then my parents would come back to the room with us then either go bed themselves or sit up
    they still do this now and im 17 and my sisters 12
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As a parent of a 6 year old little girl I would NEVER even consider going away with 3 children aged 3 and under, with just my partner (or in this case husband). I went to Switzerland with my daughter, partner & 4 members of his family, when she was just 3. Trying to keep tabs on her even with all of us around (plus the 2 people we were staying with) was enough trouble.

    As for leaving the children alone in the apartment while the parents went for a meal I think that is wrong, and neglectful EVEN if they were checking in on them. It only takes a couple of seconds for a child to drown in just an inch of water, or for a curious child to manage to turn on a hot tap and get seriously scalded, or mess with a window and fall out of it. No child should be left on their own at any point, especially in a foreign country, at that age. I know I still check on my daugher everytime I go to the bathroom of an evening from when she goes to bed at 6.30 until I got to bed around 10-11pm, (my partner also does the same when he goes) and then the first thing I do in the morning when I get up is check on her again. She is not allowed in her bedroom with her window open (it's kept shut & locked 90% of the time she's at home, the other 10% she is kept out of her room) and she is not allowed to use the hot tap at all unless someone is there to turn it on and off for her. I don't even leave her in the bath un-attended unless I am literally getting a towel from our bedroom less than 5ft away and she would still be in full view. She never plays out in our street, and when she goes to her friends house, she only plays just outside & about 5 doors in either direction. It's a parents responsibility to look after their child(ren). If they wanted a quiet meal to themselves why didn't they arrange for the children to stay with family at home while they went on holiday, or use the child minding services available at the complex?

    I'm sorry, but as far as I am concerned the parents are jointly responsible for the disappearance of this poor girl, not just the person(s) who actually took her.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I find this whole issue a little sickening. Yes, it is tragic that the little one went missing. It breaks my heart to think of what she's going through (especially as authorities think she's been abducted for trafficking), and her parents must be tearing themselves apart.

    But there are thousands upon thousands of little ones all over the world who are lost to trafficking and other horrific practices every minute, and this one kid gets front page media coverage because she's a pretty white Western child. You can bet your bottom dollar that if she was a fat little boy, nobody would have heard of the incident. And when was the last time you saw a story about child trafficking in Vietnam or child soldiers in Sierra Leone hit the front pages like this story has? Why does this one child get all the attention, and so many are ignored?

    Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to lessen the importance of finding her. I just think the media's power to influence the speed at which issues are dealt with is misdirected and saddening.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    She never plays out in our street.

    I'm all for looking after your children but I find that rather sad. Some of my happiest childhood memories are playing out in the street, going to the park with my friends, climbing up trees, rolling down hills, unsupervised.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    katchika wrote: »
    I'm all for looking after your children but I find that rather sad. Some of my happiest childhood memories are playing out in the street, going to the park with my friends, climbing up trees, rolling down hills, unsupervised.
    Exactly. To paraphrase the email that sometimes gets sent on a Friday, we had no mobile phones, our parents didn't know where we were all day, bleach bottles didn't have childproof tops, we wore no seatbelts and rode in the front seat, we played until dark and rode our bikes without safety helmets and yet 99.999999% of us made it to adulthood without dying in a terrible accident or being snatched by an evil paedo.

    You have live a little and let your kids do the same. A balance can and should be found between being protective and responsible, and enjoying life.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I find this whole issue a little sickening. Yes, it is tragic that the little one went missing. It breaks my heart to think of what she's going through (especially as authorities think she's been abducted for trafficking), and her parents must be tearing themselves apart.

    But there are thousands upon thousands of little ones all over the world who are lost to trafficking and other horrific practices every minute, and this one kid gets front page media coverage because she's a pretty white Western child. You can bet your bottom dollar that if she was a fat little boy, nobody would have heard of the incident. And when was the last time you saw a story about child trafficking in Vietnam or child soldiers in Sierra Leone hit the front pages like this story has? Why does this one child get all the attention, and so many are ignored?

    Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to lessen the importance of finding her. I just think the media's power to influence the speed at which issues are dealt with is misdirected and saddening.

    The little girl is british,thats probably why there is so much media coverage in british newspapers, there are lots of terrible things going on all over the world but it hits home more when its nearer home. I'm sure these other stories make front page news in their local papers. And i very much doubt that it has anything to do with the fact she is a pretty little girl, i think if she was a fat little boy the story would still have the same media coverage. i think thats a pretty silly thing to say tbh.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    katchika wrote: »
    I'm all for looking after your children but I find that rather sad. Some of my happiest childhood memories are playing out in the street, going to the park with my friends, climbing up trees, rolling down hills, unsupervised.

    :yes: I see no problem with children playing outside as long as they're somewhere familiar and the parents/neighbours can see and hear them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sugar wrote: »
    The little girl is british,thats probably why there is so much media coverage in british newspapers, there are lots of terrible things going on all over the world but it hits home more when its nearer home. I'm sure these other stories make front page news in their local papers. And i very much doubt that it has anything to do with the fact she is a pretty little girl, i think if she was a fat little boy the story would still have the same media coverage. i think thats a pretty silly thing to say tbh.

    You honestly think that there's only been one case of child abduction, even in a foreign country, since whenever the last one hit the news? Of course the media pick and choose their stories to sell papers; you think Rupert Murdoch's brief to his editors is 'your job is to simply impartially relate the facts?'
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