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I don't know how many images have been released. Perhaps you have seen a detailed close-up? What I have seen is a still from the Al-Jazeera footage, and there is no way anyone could suggest- let alone proof- that the men were executed from the available images... so I guess we'll have to take Blair's word for it. I have seen images of a number of dead Iraqi soldiers and you could swear some had been shot in the head at short range as well. Only I know they hadn't (or at least I really hope they hadn't).
I'm not defending the indefensible or pretending the Iraqis would not be capable of executing soldiers. But it is not inconceivable either that we were told the British soldiers have been executed for other reasons. Think of how much we would gain in the propaganda war, and remember how many porkies we have been told in the last 8 days alone.
What was your opinion of the missile hitting the market?
I hope that their deaths are avenged! I think the Iraqis will rue the day they committed this horror! I am sure that the Royal Marines and the rest of the lads will set things right.
So on the other hand everyone can see that from the tactical/propaganda point of view there is a lot to be gained from such terrible news.
Notice how several news organisations- including Rupert Murdoch's Sky, are still writing up the word 'execution' with quotation marks- i.e. unconfirmed claim. Because at the end of the day all we have is the word of the Prime Minister, who together with Bush spent a good time of Wednesday conference making remarks such as "if anyone had any doubts about the brutality of Saddam..." and so on. And I must say that if claims are based in the grainy Al-Jazeera pictures broadcast, his case is less than rock solid. But we will have to "trust him on this", just like we've been asked to trust him and Bush on other things.
As for market missile strike, I believe it was indeed cause by an allied missile that went off course. Not because what the Iraqis might say, because they cannot be trusted with the truth any more than the other side, but because it was rather obvious that the explosion had been caused by an extremely powerful device impacting at high speed from above rather than a planted device or a 'faulty' Iraqi AAA battery. But funny how on the one hand the US are still not admitting it was them, preferring to say they'll never know until the examine the area, and on the other we know categorically that those two soldiers were executed from piss-poor TV images.
Like I said, neither I'm defending the Iraqis nor I care if their "reputation" is tainted. They established murderers already. But I don't like the vibes around this incident, with people effectively saying "let's abandon the Geneva Convention and fuck up those evil Iraqis good!" Which of course would put us on the same level as them, and all for an incident that might well be untrue.
If this proves to be a lie from Mr. Blair...
Theyve been doing it for the entire modern history of war. Its called compassion.
The army were more than likely trying to do the right thing by the family but the footage and annoucement by the PM fucked that right up.
I hope to god that it was the naive sister who went to the press about this because if the mirror approached her, it will be a dark day for our media :mad:
Avenge who?
The people who actually did it? Not much chance..
I assume you wish revenge on the Iraqi people or the Iraqi army as a collective.
This is deeply flawed thinking.........
"Although admitting there was not conclusive proof how the pair died, Prime Minister Tony Blair's official spokesman insisted the premier had been right to say the two Royal Engineer bomb disposal experts had been executed."
I'm sorry this looks fishier by the minute. :rolleyes:
it came form a plane, surely we would know If Iraq had launched any planes?
If it was an American missle...again it was Saddam's fault for mixing in his missles near civilian areas. But America would know by now so I think it was theirs. Also, many Iraqis left the capital...if you decide to stay in a combat zone...that's your decision....or maybe the one's who stayed are in with Saddam.
No. They had their country to blame. Their leaders at the time called for mass suicides if Japan was invaded. As it is, that bomb saved over 200,000 American and Australian service people's lives.
Yes civilians should leave Baghdad....although they'd probably be shot by Saddam's buddies.
However, unless you subscribe to the notion that we should wage war on every last nation with a heinous dictatorial regime (which would ultimately be a return to world war) then singling out this half baked despot as somehow unique only shows your own hypocrisy and lack of comprehension for world affairs.
That Saddam is singled out by Bush and co comes down to the assets that we want to seize, the corporate profit being made (and yet to be made), and the geo-political agenda of Israel to create a zone of absolute control in the Middle East paid for in American and British blood.
Maybe you think that signifies just aggression, but I do not.
Bring our boys home and throw Bush and his cronies out of office before they lead us all into a world of lawlessness and unrestrained terrorism.
In fact, North Korea is right. If a diplomatic solution isn't reached...the US will be at war with them....if I read the Bush Doctrine right. And I think I did.
Who would you blame for those deaths? The invading country, the US government or the civilians who refused to leave Washington DC?
Straight answer please.
But,
I'm just saying if an army is coming...I'd get the frig out of the way. And I'm not pro-war. I'm surprised 22 year old's look young to me. (I'm afraid to go up against them on the park playground.) Being a soldier is alternately boring or disgusting and tragic from what I've seen.
How stupid would you have to be to join the army with out any expectation that tyou may have to shoot someone or be shot at???
For extra money you get shop work. You dont join the army.
Note that a good many commercial airline pilots were formerly US Air force pilots.
I never said they were 'out to kill'..I said they were overenthusiastic which explains the flag being raised...That is a fucking far cry from this..