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british standing shoulder to shoulder?
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todays papers. 84% of the british population are against this war!
along with nelson mandela and stormin norman .
so pissinthepot it looks like it's only the queen and tony blair and thier families that you can keep thanking.
along with nelson mandela and stormin norman .
so pissinthepot it looks like it's only the queen and tony blair and thier families that you can keep thanking.
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You are "reading" what you wish to hear, and not what he said.
"Stormin' Norman" - when quiried directly upon the "non-support issue", said something very different from what you wish.
It was Colin Powell who drug his feet, a decade past, and now is in the midst of it. Read something into that...
my understanding of what i read is what it said. that this war is at the wrong time and for all the wrong reasons.
what did you read and how did you interpret it?
Isnt it wonderful in a country who's Constitution guarantees freedom of expression that the Pres and his boys can so easily silence high profile individuals like ol Normy boy! The hypocrisy rolls on and on and on....
January 28, 2003
Gen.Schwarzkopf told NBC's Today show he thought President Bush's State of the Union speech was "very compelling," and he said he looks forward to hearing the declassified information that Secretary of State Colin Powell will share with the world later this week.
"Saddam's got to go," Schwarzkopf said Wednesday morning. "He's a monster in every single way you can think of and with the linkage to the terrorists, it's scary what in fact could be done."
Schwarzkopf said he expects key facts to emerge when Powell speaks later this week. "I think that the intelligence people obviously have information about activities, and I think you're going to see proof of those activities that show that in fact Saddam Hussein still has nuclear weapons or chemical weapons or biological weapons in his possession and has in fact hidden them someplace...I think that there's going to be conclusive evidence to show that he has not destroyed all the weapons that they say he's destroyed."
January 29, 2003
The WoT is legitimate and a clear and present danger, invading Iraq on zero substantiated proof (so far) is quite another matter. We shall see what we shall see when we hear the declassified details Im sure, but until then we are still on the merry go round of long running allegation and rhetoric.
N.B. Hehe, MoK, I just noticed the post count in your last post above! So if 666 is the number of the Beast, what does that make you?
For those who didn't realise (now that the number has changed) is that my post count was 6666 at the time C posted this comment.
FYI C, my 6666th post was in Anything Goes asking what evil things people had done in their lives... you see I'd picked up on the connotations of that number too!
Do you recall the statements - to the effect - that a "delay of even five minutes outside a location to be inspected would be considered a serious breach"? And then the delays of up to two hours? :rolleyes:
The satelite photos of the trucks off-loading and leaving the back of locations whilest the UN inspection team was standing hat-in-hand at the front? :rolleyes:
{The above, btw, did NOT come from my son, whose MOS is in intel. His keeps his mouth ENTIRELY ZIPPED as to classified material and content, when we speak. He also is of the mind that certain "leaks" should be plugged, forever, in the interest of OPSEC.}
It might be that Gen. Schwarzkopf has been made privy to intel that the clandestine-collaborator will NEVER be trusted with...
Unquestioning faith in the integrity of our leaders so long as they are Republican warmongers only shows how narrowminded and unquestioning you are when our nation's long term integrity is truly on the line.
Keep dancing little puppet.
More delicious to believe that Schwarzkopf is a lap-dog "little puppet", than to accept that what is available to the general public - but "strategically" ignored by the likes of you - is sufficient to alter a perspective.
Stroke yourself ever so more fervently... your wetdreams are soon to end, and you will finally awake to reality...
You keep living in your own delusions of the glory of corrupt wars fought to line the pockets of an exclusive few and their political puppets, whilst those of us with an interest in international justice (and the accountability of our leaders to the vows they swear) continue to work towards keeping our children from the sort of narrow minded "patriotism" which leads to the messes we now find ourselves in globally.
You seem to refer to masturbation so often , it seems you have some serious Freudian issues to resolve yourself.
Not one of the survivors of actual combat who post on this forum - that I am aware of - have ever spoken of war being "glorious". That is another of those things you want to hear so badly that you presume it is what we have said.
War is a job - like taking out the garbage - and there is no more emotion involved than that other necessary task. It is the garbage produced by your ilk which makes the task necessary.
Doubt it? Enlist, and volunteer. Your edification will surely come...
The reality which I both observed and survived is not something that I "wish for", but a reckoning made requisite by those such as you.
Time to start campaigning for your hero, the Komrad Blowjob Klinton? Perhaps he can still surrender to Sodamn Insane, and earn his deserved place in history... written by those he surrenders to.
My "ilk" recognises the value of accountability and adherence to international law for the betterment of our country within the "relaity" of our global sytem. Something which your ilk will soon help to set back by nearly half a century, and set the example of the return to unilateral warfare for other nations to follow.
Seems your memory is very short. Or maybe you believe that our pullout from Somalia was seen as something other than a surrender? Or that the arguments over Somalia and Kosovo never happened?
Respectfully, Mr Greenhat?
I believe the accurate term would be selective...
Sooooo.....
You would rather have us to believe that war actually IS a glorious endeavor? :rolleyes: I'll take your word for it, although it contradicts my own personal experience, and likely that of anyone who actually served in a war.
Actually, it is more likely that your penis envy issue concerning the United States has something to do with the fact that the rebellion here signaled the start of Britain's long slide into mediocrity, right? Or do you claim to be a "citizen of the world", and give not a flying fuck as to your own nation?
Never trusted ANYONE who had no allegiance to their own country. I have more respect for my enemies, than them who defend nothing.
You believe what you want: it is irrelevant, anyway...
"War is a job - like taking out the garbage - and there is no more emotion involved than that other necessary task. It is the garbage produced by your ilk which makes the task necessary."
that sounds to me like your willing to kill your fellow americans, the garbage in your country who don't see things the way you do.
all that american garbage who your going to have to get rid of aye.
and whats with all the petty big dick stuff? fucking grow up!
"To those who understand, no explanation is necessary.
To those that do not, none is possible."
If you had been there, then you would understand. Since you were not, you never will.
It sounds like you don't want to pay attention to the answer.
War is a place where emotions must be set aside if one is to survive. It is duty...a job. It's not an easy job, and it is a dangerous job...but survival is about getting it done. Mission, men, self....in that order, or nobody comes home.
As for the part about Clandestine, think of it as a comment about Neville Chamberlain...
Without Neville, the toll of WWII might have been far lower. Instead the situation went to the point where soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines of many nations placed their lives into the grinder, did their duty and returned the world to a semblance of sanity....all because Neville and his like failed to deal with reality..
Was not me that commented upon the "glory of war". Ever. Other than to state that there is none.
War is simply the dirtiest of jobs.
It was not just my "innocence" which was lost, but most of my emotional response. To function in chaos requires discipline, and discipline is the antithesis of emotion.
Most require anger to kill; I require purpose. Most combat veterans whom I know are very much the same. No rage... just a cold purpose.
If you had been there, then you would understand. That you have not? Means you never really will...
Some things just are, like water being wet. This is one of those...
To be fair, I don't think it is.
As an example, MR; could you explain what it's like to smoke cannabis, what it feels like, how it relaxes you perhaps, to someone who's never smoked in their life?
I don't know that you could.
But if you got together with a fellow smoker; you wouldn't need to explain. The experiences you've both had would make explanation unnecessary and irrelevant: you'd both know what it felt like.
I think it's perfectly valid to say.
Whatever side you are on most of us agree that a democratically elected govt is the best from.
We elect our govt on the basis of their election manifesto and waht we believe is the character and philosphy of both the individuals and the party.
These politicians then have the ability to run our country for several years.
A war though is not normally part of any election manifesto and is one of the most important events for any nation.
If Blair takes us to war when polls suggest that a large majority is not in favour is this anti-democratic?
Not only he's not doing that, but he's effectively trying to stop demonstrators from rallying. Apparently the government "knows" the ground will be soft and wet in Hyde Park on February the 15th so no anti-war rally will be allowed there.
To the people in the UK who still don't see the Al Qaeda connection, after a man was tracked from Afghanistan, to Baghdad to Al Qaeda in Northern Iraq to London with ricin...you are too stupid to worry about and luckily you really have no say about Britian and America defending itself. I also question the BBC putting a slanted lie about fund raising in the US for the IRA and neglecting to say that America also provided to the British government the software that reads emails and broke the IRA. I question the timing of this story.
The West is deluded and weak. And blind to countries like France and Germany that will risk the destruction of their competitors in the West in order to make multi-billion dollar deals with one of the worst political figures of all time...thereby perverting the UN's food for fuel program.
America was convinced by Bush's speech. Because of our character, bravery and commitment to self-determination, we don't need France and Germany. But neither should they benefit from our blood. But that's another topic that I'll be posting.
Thank you, but I prefer a Republic. One of the designs of the American Republic was that it not be subject to the politics of the masses. Allows leaders to do what they feel is right without worrying about the polls. Of course, it means you should vote for people on character instead of voting on specific issues...a subtlety that misses many of the voters.
Also isn't it impossible for any govt to do what it thinks is right without concern as to the wishes of the electorate when they is going to be an election within the next few years?