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To sum it up, the Met is being investigated...
The story alleges 15 year old went to the demonstration and ended up kettled for hours. She tried to climb a fence to get out and an officer pulled her to the ground and hit her with a baton on the foot. Her foot got broken some how...
She was kept there for two hours in pain and shock, until her friends could convince the officers to let her go to a hospital. She was wearing her school uniform, so it was obvious she was still in school (by the picture, she does look quite young as well).
I can't find a link online and you have to pay for South London Press full stories, but it will be interesting to see what comes of this.
No convictions.
:shocking:
Its actually quite an interesting report and I'm sure will be used as a case study on those accuracy in reporting blogs as an extremely lurid example of sloppy and inaccurate reporting.
http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/deaths_in_custody_report.pdf
16 due to police restraint is still scary though... It doesn't sound like a lot, but it is very significant if somebody you love is killed.
We do get those stats from hospitals and both nurses and doctors have been convicted of killing patients - Shipman and Allitt spring to mind, although extreme cases.
However, given the respective roles of hospitals and the Police they are hardly comparable outcomes.
Wasn't that a case of them going out deliberately to murder a patient rather than doing so in the course of their duties? if so its hardly comparable. There's plenty of cases where no-one has been prosecuted despite what seems gross negligence
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/woman-died-24-hours-after-being-given-wrong-drug-466440.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7837490/Dr-Daniel-Ubani-is-struck-off-but-GMC-concerned-at-lack-of-tests-on-foreign-doctors.html
I could quote others... Sadly there seems to be a culture of cover-up in the NHS, so who knows what the real figures are...
The outcomes aren't comparable in that these don't seem to have taken place whilst dealing whilst drunk and violent people. It seems to me that incompetently killing someone because you couldn't speak English or because you got mixed up who was in the bed is a level of incomptence much higher than accidentally killing someone in struggle after they have been trying to bite your fingers off...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jan/19/children-given-wrong-prescriptions-hospital
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Tragedy-of-39wrong-drugs39-Leeds.6532277.jp
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23457448-ambulances-in-crashes-four-times-every-day.do
Well, in Shipman's case he actually believed he was doing his job in some cases, relieving people of their condition - mercy killings. In other cases it was clear murder.
Allitt was mentally ill.
But point remains, both were convicted of killing patients.
And yes, I know it was slightly tongue in cheek when you started this line but people should be worried when they go into hospital (not just NHS but any) for treatment. Every single treatment has side effects and some are potentially lethal. Add into that human error of misreading charts etc.
The real difference here though is that, by its very nature, healthcare carries those risks.
It's why we ask people to consent to treatment before it's started.
And policemen are convicted of murder as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_McCaughey
But the article you quote isn't about bad apples out to deliberately kill people, so to compare Allit and Shipman and claim a positive difference for how the NHS deals with killing people is misleading
I'm a great fan of the idea of human imperfection, but I'm unconvinced about why a busy custody sergeant dealing with a dozen drunks should be held to a greater standard in diagnosing serious medical problems than a trained medical professional.
I should also note that the two cases of medical murder I link too don't seem to be off risky treatments which went wrong, but relatively routine cases where gross negligence has led to a death
But by its very nature the people who were in police custody would be heavily drunk, high on drugs, mentally unstable and/or violent. I would suggest that if healthcare carries risks so does policing and probably more so.
I am supposed to be going to a demo tomorrow... I feel less safe now.
I had a lad from the school ask a teacher to ask me (as I'm the schools officer) if they could hold a protest in the local area re the cuts. I advised that as long as they were peaceful and things didn't get out of hand I couldn't see a problem with it.
They had their protest and that was that. The huge difference between these and the ones in the news is that these young men and women managed to get their point across without pissing on a statue and throwing paint in someone's eyes.
I've pretty much given up on this thread because to be honest it has descended into a cut and paste news story thread and nothing more.
swp?
Socialist Worker's Party.
What is he insinuating exactly? I guess we won't know for sure.
Hard not to take it personally, I know it's not personal but it is mildly irritating. I don't know what job you do but I'm sure you'd feel a little peeved if we constantly posted news stories about how shit your colleagues are.
And I was merely commenting that the topic seems to be nothing more than people trying to post the worst example of police behaviour.
They hound you like fuck if you let them have your number and some can get really arsey. I told them I didn't want to stand as a RESPECT candidate because an activist of theirs at the time was printing homophobic articles in the Desi Express and Muslim Council of Britain had some allegations of homophobia and that I felt the party let it go on to pander to some of their donors... I got accused of saying that "all Muslims are like that"... So quick to pull the race and/or Islamic card when it suits them. :chin:
My mate is in SWP and he's sweet as, but I don't have a good experience of them.
Sorry, major tangent...
Butr here's another story from the demo...
Man pulled from his wheelchair by police officer.
Again with the thread, if you know what is being posted here, don't come in and read it?
As a general rule,
Burgers King near a university - not so thick staff.
Burger King nowhere near a university - ever so thick staff.