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If I hated cigarette smoke I wouldn't have took a job in a pub.
Is what the non smokers saying not enough?
And it's a rubbish one.
What are you asking ?
Read the stuff at the top of this page. It's not that hard.
I'm not feeling too sympathetic to poor smokers at the moment as they are affecting me at work (and I work in an office not a pub or bar or club or restaurant) and I've been forced to start using inhalers for asthma again, which I haven't used for years. Just because of some selfish people getting paid to sit on their bums and fag away.
Still confused.
Some have asked for proof that passive smoking kills/harms.
None that I can see has been forthcoming.
Then you asked your question, which I didn`t understand.
Are you saying that "smokers" should listen to the pleas of "non-smokers" ? :chin:
Have you considered telling them your problem like you have this board ?
If I was one of those smokers and you said to me what you have above, then I think I would quit smoking in your vicinity.
I do not want to have a confrontation with a room full of smokers all of whom are much older than me.
I have complained to my boss, the company nurse and the health and safety manager, but nothing is going to be done till the law comes in.
Bring on July.
Seems strange, smoking in the workplace could easily be argued as coming under existing legislation anyway, COSHH regulations for example.
And that is why car maintenance places have such rigorous health and safety laws.
Unless you think that it should be the "proprietor's choice" as to whether they should be enforced?
As for "personal liberty", nobody is preventing a single person from smoking. I don't want to ban people from smoking (they keep my taxes low after all), but I want the freedom to go out and not have to go home because one or two smokers have triggered an asthma attack in me or my family.
I'll ask again: why does the "right" of a smoker to smoke supercede my "right" to go out and not have to breathe their smoke in? Yes, I could stay at home and not have trouble, but equally the smoker could, but with a ban we both get to do what we want. It's not a tough question but I note that not one single smoker has ever been able to answer it, and I've been asking it for over five years. Funny that.
It couldn't be because smokers are selfish little twerps who couldn't give a stuff about anyone else's health and comfort, could it?
Not all smokers are like that. My dad never was and a friend of mine isn't like that at all.
But smokers who think that their right to smoke ranks ahead of my right not to are selfish.
Smoking has been proved beyond reasonable doubt to be more addictive and harmful than some drugs.
If people want to smoke in their own homes or cars (windows closed) fine, that's their choice. But keep it away from other people who don't choose to smoke.
And I think it'll help a lot of people who would like to give up as it'll break the habit. For example, one of my tutors smokes but she'll be unable to anywhere on college property so she says it is going to encourage her to give up.
Is it?
Couple face Council investigation for smoking at home
I'm this fucking close to taking up the habit on general fucking principle... :rolleyes:
So, where on earth can someone smoke without it bothering anyone? I admit I hate smoking but do think that smokers should have the right to smoke somewhere as long as it's nowhere near me...
At home
In their cars
In their gardens
In open air venues
In specially built open air enclosures
The government could have gone a high tech air quality route to controlling levels of smoke with electronic monitoring (which is pretty easy to setup and police) but chose to use surface area of enclosed to open area ratios method instead
That article and complaint seems excessive, although we can smell other neighbors cooking sometimes, but usually their food smells yummy .. LOL
I would add to that list
- Anywhere outdoors. With common sense and good manners in mind (for instance, smoking at a bus stop right next to other people might indeed get smoke in their faces) but there is absolutely no excuse for saying people shouldn't smoke on the street, or in a park, or on the beach
- In cigar clubs, smoking rooms in pubs and restaurants and any indoor facility that procures segregated and properly ventilated areas for smokers. I realise this will not be the case in this country, but it should be
So the ban is a good thing? Er, not quite. I remember watching "Demolition man" where everything unhealthy (smoking, salt, red meat, even sex!) is banned. Unfortunately most things that are fun also carry an element of risk. If the government takes banning smoking to its logical conclusion, we are going to end up in a society like in Demolition Man where anything that might be fun, but dangerous, is illegal.
Yeah, when I didn't smoke, it was crap going home reeking of fag. As already said, if pubs had a divider to segregate smoking/non-smoking, this would help. You know, a simple wall with doors in. I have seen places like this. Wouldn't hurt, or even cost alot.
And yeah, Demolition Man, with all these "don't smoke, don't eat fast food, don't do this, blah blah blah" I can see it going that way. Before long booze will be the target. Then bacon. Then, if they do go for bacon, I WILL be going postal.
I'm not a heavy smoker and even when I didn't touch cigarettes I can't ever remember being bothered by smoking in pubs or restaurants. Currently most restaurants in France still let you light up and I've not really even ever found that to be a problem when over there. But, yeah I accept, the days of lighting up wherever are over. I just think what we're getting goes too far, it's perfectly possible to accomodate smokers and non-smokers with separated areas and decent ventilation.
I wasn't bothered whilst there. It was just waking up the next day to find my room actually smelt just like the pub! Then promtly getting a glass of water and continuing my sleep.