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I don't give a damn what you want and I won't go away.
Seems your true colours have finally been exposed, eh?
Fuck off you silly wee cunt.
*sigh*
Few problems here.
Hezbollah said they will not action the ceasefire until the Israeli army is oout of Lebanon. That can take a while. So are they gonna fight them as they are retreating?
The Lebanese army supported by the UN is supposed to take over the South of Lebanon and control the area (hehe, like hell that is gonna work).
Are Hezbollah gonna abide by the orders of the Lebanese government and army?
(Like hell)
Yesterday Israel dropped loads of leaflets onto Beirut asking everyone there why Hezbollah were making incursions into Israel and why are they using the civilians as human shields. This psychological warfare has sparked loads of arguments on the streets of Beirut between the muslims and the christians....
Doesn't look good.
That is the thing, they are not.
I was watching a TV report by the Portuguese TV station last night and they have interviewed people about the leaflets. A lot of people were visibly angry. They've also showed footage of fights on the streets with muslims and christians arguing about the war. This one muslim woman, for instance, was having a go at this christian guy accusing him of supporting Israel...
I think a lot of them remember still very clearly what happened after '82 and are very much weary of it.
I don't blame Hezbollah for not stopping until Israel is gone - many, many Lebonese have lost thier lives. And I bet Israel won't leave without killing a few more.
They should stop though, and give them a chance to leave. But I can understand why they won't - and won't trust Israel after it's actions during other ceasefires.
And like the Lebonese Army stands a chance of doing ANYTHING.
So you wouldn't criticise an Islamist-inspired purge of Jewry from the Middle East?
WHAT?
So - if another Country - say France - invaded the UK - You would say "Don't resist the French, thats Zenophobic!" - I fail to see how Hezbollah attacking Israel because Israel invaded the Lebanon is somehow purging Jews from the Mid East... I also said I think personally both sides should stop firing and Israel should be allowed to withdraw peacefully WITHOUT killing anyone - just for a change. And Hezbollah should too.
But we know this isn't going to happen. Both sides want blood. And Israel has been the biggest slaughterer sofar.
And come on... how am I not criticising a purge of Jewry from the Mid-East? I don't blame Hezbollah for retaliating to an ace of aggression?
Er Hezbollah attacked Israel by invading Israeli territory and kidnapping two Israeli soldiers. Further, a barrage of missiles fired from Lebanese territory by Hezbollah deep into Israel precipitated a war. Iran through Hezbollah initiated war with Israel and Israel has been exercising her right to self-defence.
Except Hezbollah is the aggressor. (And supporters and sympathisers of Hezbollah should remember that Hezbollah is indeed committed to the total destruction of the State of Israel and the annihilation of Jews in the Middle East...not that friends of Hezbollah like George Galloway would care. Although I don't suppose it is surprising that somebody who supported an evil tyrant like Saddam also cosies up to terrorists).
I can't really see how any civilised person can possibly defend backward Islamofascists like Hezbollah.
Yes. And the Israeli's didn't at all fire any missiles or drop any bombs onto civilian ares of the Lebanon.
Galloway is a tit. And as for Saddam... the bloke was betrayed by those who put him in power... gosh, it was the Right Wing governments in the west who put him there, to control Mid Eastern terrorism in the area. Which he did VERY well indeed - no fucking insurgents under his rule!
I don't see how any civilised person can support the mass slaughter Israel has been carrying out. Of civilians. For the past 40 years or so!
I am in no way defending Hezbollah or thier murders. I agree with no conflict that has no reason, such as this one. However, whilst both sides are wrong, one is wrong on a huge scale compared to the other. One has murdered so many civilians it should have its government tried for war crimes.
I can understand why Hezbollah was created and fights now. The attrocities against the Lebanon are huge. Someone had to take up a fight when the rest of the world lets civilians get slaughtered - sadly those who took it up were extremist Islamics. (Islamofascists is such a nonsense word that makes no sense - please stop using it. It's like saying Commuchristians.)
Indeed, they printed that. They'd print anything though.
What was actually reported was originally a "clash on the border". It wasn't until later that it became Hezbollah encroaching into Israeli territory. I think the words "clash on the border" speak for themselves. Some Israeli units probed Lebanese territory and got a reaction.
Well unless they were standing with one foot in Israel and one foot in Lebanon it wasn't literally a clash on the border, but on one side or the other of it. At the moment the only people who know for sure are Israel and Hezbollah, and funnily enough they are claiming opposite things.
And there only evidence seems to be some newspaper clippings and I'm not sure why they are more believable than the clippings which say it happened in Israel.
I thought it was just an act, but you truly don't get it, do you?
It's about the bigger picture. It's about Israel leaving southern Lebanon 6 years ago, and still facing hostility and attacks, and as it was seen the kidnapping of two soldier at a very sensitive time when the Israeli community were already distraught by the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit. It was the straw that broke the camels back - and frankly, I don't blame Israel one bit for wanting to defend themself. They say it's about land, but clearly when Israel has gone and given that land the attacks still haven't stopped.
Bet they wouldn't have done it if Syria was still protecting Lebanon to be fair.
Israel has faced attacks for YEARS. And if it WAS about the continuing attacks, why does Israel say they are there trying to get soldiers?
At least have the deceny to be honest about it. Not only that - war is proven method not to combat terrorism, but to make it worse.
Now you know perfectly well that's not strictly true. Come on dis, you're normally a bit more intelligent than this.
Its about Israel leaving Lebanon but still overflying their airspace, holding onto prisoners for years and years, its about Israel holding onto territory they shouldn't. Come on, please be a little more honest about Israel's role in all this.
The War Crimes apologists continue to spout IDF-censored lies and propaganda and demonstrate their support for the very practices according to which the Nazis were deemed guilty.
Oh and NQA, do not pretend that you have ever given anything other than "newspaper clippings" for support of any contention you have made on these forums. Just keep denying and reinventing the reality of Israeli ideological evil along with Jacq and Dis, even though you - being the older party of the three -should know better.
More from Jonathan Cook on the true face of Israeli institutionalised racist, ethnocidal aggressivism and propaganda...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1844021,00.html
What a bunch of utter cunts, the lot of them... :rolleyes:
The exact words I'd used to describe Hezbollah and the appeasement brigade.
Are you referring to those who condemn Israel murdering civilians and bombing Lebanon to fuck?
Do tell. Because if that's the case you'd be including millions of people in this country alone, including many board members.
I don't remember anyone here calling you an utter cunt for your support of Israel. Perhaps you should think of extending the same courtesy to others- if that is you were meaning by "appeasement brigade".
The UN, the EU..nah, I'd say those in general who do not recognise the danger that Hezbollah and its Iranian sponsors pose to much of the Middle East and the wider international community. Although I actually wouldn't use that term, I'd rather call them misguided.
Since you are so fond of trying to understand the motivation of terrorists it's surprising that you never attempt to consider the rationale of the Israelis recent actions. The Israelis didn't go back to Lebanon for the hell of it, Israel was provoked into a war. The international community failed to fulfil its promise of disarming Hezbollah, recent events are the cost of that failure.
If Hezbollah can be effectively and permanently disarmed and Lebanese sovereignty over the entire country reasserted the Lebanese and Israeli people will get the security and stability they deserve. The Islamist Hamas and Hezbollah are the obstacles to progress in the region. If mutual recognition and secure borders follows the emergence of a Palestinian state and Hezbollah is overcome in Lebanon, people in all three countries will be so much better off and the region will truly prosper. One day hopefully.
Now you've denounced him, again, any chance that you can answer previously avoided questions about your own stance on murdering civillians?
Israel was planning to invade Lebanon well before the soldiers were kidnapped.
Not that kidnapping two soldiers merits bombing cities hundreds of miles away from the incident and murdering many hundreds of innocent civilians.
Civilised nations simply don't do that.
If you say Israel has as much right to bomb Beirut as Hezbollah of bombing Haifa, fair enough. So long as we're clear that they're both as murderous and terrorists as each other...
Then again, your refusal to read more than the mainstream press - whitewashing the realities of Israel's sole guilt in this pre-planned transnational war crime - makes your adamant villification of rightful Lebanese resistance (ala Hezbollah) no less surprising than any posts made by our other resident Israeli state propaganda regurgitators.
When you've bothered to inform yourself on the actual Israeli pre-planning for this invasion and rampant destruction of Lebanon long before any misnamed "kidnapping" (read: legitimate capture of IDF soldiers on Lebanese soil) pretext was available to them, and well before any Hezbollah rockets were ever fired (again, only AFTER Israel launched its aggressions on Lebanese civilian population centres in direct contravention of the Nuremberg Charter), then perhaps you might get a glimmer of understanding of whom is entirely guilty not only of this latest demonstration of disproportionate savagery, but of generations of grasping expansionist intent.
Until then, don't waste my time or yours asking questions to which you've already had your answer, whether you like it or not.