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Just because I'm the most argumentative person in the world and I'll do what I can until I get the last say. It just appears that there's a lot of most argumentative people in the world! Heh
That's what it all comes down to for me; I couldn't and wouldn't do it, so I don't.
Other people can do what they like, I'm happy with my own diet choices so what others choose to eat isn't really of any consequence to me.
I do hate seeing meat wasted, though, once upon a time it was a relative treat to have a tasty roast dinner or similar and the rest of the animal would be utilised if possible. Its carcass used to make broth etc etc. I firmly believe that if you're going to eat an animal you should eat everything that is edible (and won't come straight back up ). I hate seeing smartprice chicken fillets and wondering what (if anything) happened to the rest of that chicken... :chin:
most farmers want tip top healthy animals ...or they get a bad reputation in the community and a lousy price for their work.
most beef is grass reared as is ALL lamb.
like i said before the easiest to abuse is poultry and pigs.
who said your a hypocrite if you don't kill it yourself?
silly argument.
you don't refine your own petrol do you?
i want to see out my windows but i can't be arsed doing it myself so pay joe.
those of you who think we have evolved so ethicaly and moraly are dreaming!
you can make such statements cos your very comfortable ...very very comfortable.
there are many examples in the modern world where we soon revert to killing and slaughtering each other when times get bad enough.
i can assure you ...people treat people ...far more cruely than any chicken ever had it.
IMHO I have absolutley nooo problem with other people eating meat if there is a need, for example starvation or anaemia. But in this country, there are so many other things that we can eat, we are just wasting life for nothing. I also do not mind animals die for us to eat them - we are in the food chain, so be it. What I have an immense problem with is the way that animals are treated in their lifetimes - as if they are worthless, and to me, every life is precious.
If I did have to go back to eating meat for health reasons, I would only ever eat Halaal or Kosher, as animals are killed in the most humane way, (as it says in the Qu'ran) and suffer no pain, and as it is a personal method, done by someone who has looked after the animal their whole life, the cow or chicken probably wouldnt even feel fear.
But yes I agree, we have evolved away from eating meat, it takes the body something like 3 days to digest a burger, and 3 hours to digest fruit (estimate, but something like that) And if all the cereal used to feed the animals who are going to be killed was given to humans instead, you could feed more humans on the crops given to the animals, than eating the animals themselves.
of course we are only going to eat the tastiest bits ...your cats and dogs get the rest in a can.
animal carcasses are used in cosmetics medicines chemical processes ...there is no waste.
next time you buy cheap student food ...read thew label.
beef something or other ...and other meats.
what are other meats?
why don't they want to tell you what the other meats are?
what is protien in these cheap shite products.
what happens to frogs after their legs have been eaten?
it's in your pot noodle or whatever as protien ...other meats include ...horse rabbit and kangaroo.
all legal.
kosher animals are drained of blood, starting with having their throats slit. there is no moral ground at all for killing animals for food in the modern society we live in.
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I would most definitely (and do) dispute that "most" farming in this country is humane, though I suppose that depends completely on how you personally would define humane.
I don't think refining your own petrol and washing your own windows is comparable, to be honest. At least in my point of view, where the reason I don't kill animals is not that I don't have the capability (as in the example of refining petrol) or the inclination (as in the example of washing windows).
I'm always bemused by the attitude of people who seem to want to convince non-meat eaters that their way is the right way because it's pointless to rail against a society which is so entrenched in a meat-centred diet. Or because it tastes so damn yummy. I have no issue with people who take either of those opinions, but a lot of them have a huge problem with my choices for some reason [I mentioned this in my first post, incidentally]... and go well out of their way to justify eating meat to me when I don't really care what the hell they eat.
My attitude is live and let live, with regard to other humans and their lifestyle choices... and with regard to animals. Fuck anyone who has a problem with that, I don't have to answer to them and they don't have to answer to me. I'm on the side of the animals, someone has to be
halal ...they have huge factories producing halal!
some kind individual doesn't stroke them and reassure them ...they stick a knife in them!
and i can't repeat often enough ...most farm animals in the uk have a very healthy life.
and if you turn all the grazing land over for veg growing ...you are advocating the mass extinction of millions of animals in your misguided kindness.
you can get iron into your diet without eating meat
Haha, but these millions of animals wouldn't exist if there wasn't such high demand for meat at every meal, every day in every conceivable different dish/sauce/cut. I thought you'd be against that kind of decadence, actually. I'm not against people eating what they need, using up surpluses and all that. I find the way people can click their fingers and have any kind of meat in any dish on their plate in five minutes flat to be pretty weird and unnecessary.
Just because someone doesn't eat meat and wants to behave as kindly toward animals as they're able doesn't mean they live in a dream world. Low blows in crazed attempts to justify something... to someone....
you stated that ...halal is ok cos the animal probably won't even feel any pain!
thats why i said your living in a dream world.
you obviously don't actualy know anything about halal factories or british farming.
Cows have a very good life, there's some quite close to me. Now if cows did something constructive like create art, write literature and build houses then maybe I would think otherwise. But they don't, they just eat grass, shit,shag and sleep. Pretty good life IMO.
No, I didn't.
and one of the problems with this very comfortable world is ...people now attatch human qualities or values to animals.
they are our food ...a;ways have neen and always will be.
If I did have to go back to eating meat for health reasons, I would only ever eat Halaal or Kosher, as animals are killed in the most humane way, (as it says in the Qu'ran) and suffer no pain, and as it is a personal method, done by someone who has looked after the animal their whole life, the cow or chicken probably wouldnt even feel fear.
but nobody can deny that animals do feel pain.
True enough...when I was younger and travelled over the fields I would sometimes see a farmer coming up to fill the troughs with food and water, where would these cows get that otherwise? And it's hardly as though cows really have a concept of life and death...lazy sods just sit there doing sweet FA.
Also, humans are natural omnivores. We can get it from vegtables, doesn't mean we should.
Oh and I respect people who are vegetarians and don't care, it's their choice. I just like debating about it.
the cows actualy gather at the right time by the gate ...waiting for the farmer to let them indoors to be milked whilst stuffing themselves on turnips!
I can't quite believe that animal carcasses are used up in different industry thus leaving no waste, but even if they were I was just touching on the idea of going back to the days when meat was bought as-killed from a butcher's shop and using it all to create several meals for a family rather than buying fillets of one cow and a T-bone steak from another and a bag of pre-cooked chicken drumsticks. It just doesn't make sense, and I think it's a real symptom of the way our culinary culture is heading. It doesn't sit well with me, at all.
It was dairy farming in the US that I was referring to. (I hope this link works)
My granny told me once that they used to have cabbage and pigs trotters dinner and that they were grateful for it! :eek:
Aye, that was probably considered a huge treat...
I saw pig snouts in the pet shop the other day, being sold as treats for dogs. They seemed to have turned yellow as they dried out, not nice.
out here in the country we do buy a chicken and use more or less everything.
i can assure you the farm and food industry use every single part of an animal ...always have ...hooves and bones and horns for glue and such like but it has moved on miles from those days.
we now have hightech emulsifying techniques. you buy cheap industrial chicken spread ...you get the beak the feet the lot.
if the odd feather goes into the machinery you get that as well.
inards eyeballs etc.
suasages are mostly lips and bumbs.
if you were to look in my freezer ...you'd find kidneys and hearts.
i mince them.