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'Capitalism' is not a thing or a person it is simply a system to organise the economy.
How can that have a bearing on individual morality. This man has behaved immorally, would you think that he would not have done so if we lived in a communist society, would that man be a different man?
Capitalism hasn't made him do anything, he choose to do it and I think there is no reason to assume he would have made a different choice under a different system, as long as there was something to gain for him.
We all live in a capitalist society, does that mean all of our behaviour reflects the 'principles of capitalism'?
No it doesn't
It's up to the individual to follow such criteria to the letter or draw the line at some point. Those who don't draw the line anywhere are behaving immoraly, and in this case the simply follow capitalist mantra to the end to justify their actions.
So in my view yes, capitalism is as much to blame as the invidivual who behaves in such way, for advocating the very principle of making as much money as possible as the only objective worth considering.
Without sounding like klintock, who is this person or thing 'capitalism' that tells us these things? You been having nightmares recently?
The capitalist mantra? You talk is if people are educated or indoctrinated in these things, is there somewhere where they are?
People will try to do the best for themselves and those close to them in any situation, that is survival. There are morals that inhibit that which are rather similar everywhere.......
Again.
Do you think this person would have behaved differently if he was living in North Korea for example?
Of course, one does not need to be an enthusiast capitalist to behave in such manner. So indeed a man from communist North Korea could behave in such manner. But you keep igoning the fact that capitalism itself advocates such behaviour. So if people act with a conscience when they conduct business is certainly on spite of capitalist principles, not because of them.
So capitalism is a rather ugly system that sometimes advocates rather wrong and unethical behaviour, yes.
What do you mean?
Anyone who denies it is just a blatant liar. Capitalism is a system based on greed. End of.
It is not about caring, or benefiting anyone other than yourself.
workers collectives or state run enterprises can be capitalist y'know, mr "economics student"
Soviet businesses were capitalist, mr "economics student"
In what sense are you using the term "reification" there?
...which is organised by people...
Yep. Unless you deny the influence of idealogy on social relations.
Under communism, his needs would be catered for, he would have nothing to personally gain.
Bollocks. Capitalism is a system of social relations, it permeates and affects all our lives. Boss, worker, manager, consumer, all the social roles we play are all affected by the system in which we organise resources.
Describe this ethical and social dimension then. Does it include using prostitutes for example?
Errr...the system of social relations in which we organise resources (i.e. capitalism) is based on profit which is expropriated labour (exploitation)
sad cunt
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Voluntary trade is considered UNethical
But the relentless advocacy of threats and violence is somehow ethical
Welcome to Bizarro World
I wonder how many capitalists believe in in the existence of society, let alone giving much of shit about it.
Socially concious capitalist is as likely a mix as oil & water.
Post of the week. :thumb:
Liberalism
in its historical context, it did provide more freedom - it basically overthrew the hangovers from Feudalism etc. However it established other forms of tyranny
Please Mr. History reader, can have some examples of FREE trade ?
I'm not going to reply to all those dimwitted one-liners, but this one made me laugh........
I worry that you actually believe this don't you?
You work for a small business right? So if you know your boss then he is capitalist, is he as evil as you claim all capitalists are?
Do you know anyone who owns shares, are they evil as well?
Is the bloke who runs the local corner shop evil?
Is Bill Gates evil for donating billions of pound to AIDS charities?
Please stop talking such simplistic nonsense, you're better than that.........
lol. How do you know what his needs are?
It is possible to run a business without being a capitalist IMO. Capitalism is a philosophy as much as anything else: the philosophy that only money matters, only profit matters.
Are you really trying to pass off capitalism now as a caring, socially conscious system?
LOL!
You know better than that as well- or at least I hope you do.
If you run or invest in a private enterprise that operates to make profit then you are a capitalist surely? Sorry to break it to you.
You would seem to be suggesting that anyone who is immoral is a capitalist, thus making the idea that capitalism is bad a rather ridiculous tautology.
Do the people you work for try to make a profit for that business?
Capitalism is the only system that advocates such practices.
Yes, you're quite right- this is hard slog.
Hopefully the message will have driven home this time.
'Capitalism advocates it'
What on earth does that mean?
Maybe your meaning of capitalism is different to mine. If you mean free market economics then 'it advocates' no such thing..........