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"Business is business"

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:

    The Free Market demanded it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    this isnt anything to do with capitalism, its to do with self interest, in a communist system self interest just manifests itself in different ways ie power not wealth

    i find it mightily hypocritcal of the EU to impose this ban, because they want to open arms trade with china who are openly dispicable

    i hate what the guys doing myself but the hypocritcal twits in europe mean he gets my support cause at least he isnt enforcing himself on them




    i worked out the EU is baed in brussels, noone goes there but politicians and pornographers(same people id guess) :lol:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    noone goes there but politicians and pornographers

    And you discovered this from a Murdoch publication no doubt. :rolleyes:

    Newsflash for you, Brussels is a wonderful city with all manner of visitors year round. You'll find more pornographers in Holland and Denmark, btw.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And London's Soho district.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And you discovered this from a Murdoch publication no doubt. :rolleyes:

    Newsflash for you, Brussels is a wonderful city with all manner of visitors year round. You'll find more pornographers in Holland and Denmark, btw.


    actually my friends went on a trip to brussels when we was year 11

    it's all they saw

    ps i was kidding :p but the thing about the libary in brussels being over budget in an interesting one
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Toadborg wrote:
    I'm not going to reply to all those dimwitted one-liners, but this one made me laugh........ :lol:

    I worry that you actually believe this don't you?

    I'm wondering what you think is factually incorrect about my statement. You'll notice that I haven't referred to any of the practicalities of a communist system, that I am in fact referring to the theory.

    So, got an intelligent comment to make mr "economics student"?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    minimi38 wrote:
    lol. How do you know what his needs are?

    Errr...what? :confused:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Toadborg wrote:
    Again.

    'Capitalism advocates it'

    What on earth does that mean?

    Maybe your meaning of capitalism is different to mine. If you mean free market economics then 'it advocates' no such thing..........

    I see you've conveniently ignored all my points. I dunno why I bother.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    I'm wondering what you think is factually incorrect about my statement. You'll notice that I haven't referred to any of the practicalities of a communist system, that I am in fact referring to the theory.

    So, got an intelligent comment to make mr "economics student"?

    You are referring to they theory? What kind of getout is that, the same one that means you never have to have any proof of anything you say or any of the asseretions you make? :rolleyes:

    As for childish insults, that just highlights you (lack of) class or intellect
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    I see you've conveniently ignored all my points. I dunno why I bother.

    As I said in the other post you quoted, there is no point replying to a series of moronic on-liners.

    Please take your own advice and don't bother next time

    Thanks :wave:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Capitalism, Communism, Marxism, Globalisation, whatever flaots your boat, but the end result is just the same, the little guys suffer and the big guys get richer & more powerful.

    After that its all bullshit!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    For a start China doesn’t just pose a danger to its own people

    yeah yeye, we not only post threat to ourself, we too post threat to others. unlike you, you take pride of doing your american daddy's every single bidding, you never bother to post any threat but simply to bring war and destruction to those country(middle east) for your own selfish interest(oil) , with alot execuse,(wmd)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    same crap different thread. its amazing how much this stuff can get recycled and presented slightly differently :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    muse- wrote:
    same crap different thread. its amazing how much this stuff can get recycled and presented slightly differently :)

    I quite agree. Life seems simple enough with only two kinds of people. Those that want to be left alone and those that won`t let them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Toadborg: I think you've done pretty well getting this far into the thread and to still be avoiding being side tracked by the regulars' usual one liner and goading tactics. I think the problem Aladdin et al have with the word "capitalism" is that it conjures up in their mind the love child of a George Bush, Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher orgy. This causes the red mist to descend and the chance of a sensible discussion ensuing becomes almost non-existent. It’s part of the reason I stopped participating in discussions in P&D. You’ll eventually get a gaggle of the regulars being more obstinate, insulting and generally stubborn than anyone else is willing and/or prepared to be, and when they’ve shouted long and loud enough for everyone else to get bored, they consider an intellectual victory to have been achieved. This cements their opinions even further and perpetuates the derailing and name calling that more often than not takes place in political discussion threads nowadays.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Toadborg wrote:
    You are referring to they theory? What kind of getout is that, the same one that means you never have to have any proof of anything you say or any of the asseretions you make? :rolleyes:

    As for childish insults, that just highlights you (lack of) class or intellect

    aaaaah, I see you are incapable of following my points, so you result to disrupting the thread instead. You seem unable to tell me what you mean by "reification", unable to understand what is meant by ideology and unable to understand points about social relations, let alone your complete lack of ability to understand political and economic theory.

    0/10
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Toadborg: I think you've done pretty well getting this far into the thread and to still be avoiding being side tracked by the regulars' usual one liner and goading tactics. I think the problem Aladdin et al have with the word "capitalism" is that it conjures up in their mind the love child of a George Bush, Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher orgy.

    Errrr....no. Its more to do with an understanding of the economic, social and philosophical basis of capitalism and a complete and utter disagreement with it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sorry i haven't been following the thread.. Whats the solution to capitalism? (dont say anarchism).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:

    Why not?!

    People should be free to buy and sell whatever they want. Provided the person and property of a third party isn't harmed.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    so selling gallows doesn't come under harming a third person? hmmmm...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    muse- wrote:
    sorry i haven't been following the thread.. Whats the solution to capitalism? (dont say anarchism).

    rainbows, green pastures and lots and lots of love
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Gedd-E-Lee wrote:
    People should be free to buy and sell whatever they want. Provided the person and property of a third party isn't harmed.

    So remind me again how the person executed on the gallows isn't harmed?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How is it going monocrat?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Toadborg: I think you've done pretty well getting this far into the thread and to still be avoiding being side tracked by the regulars' usual one liner and goading tactics. I think the problem Aladdin et al have with the word "capitalism" is that it conjures up in their mind the love child of a George Bush, Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher orgy. This causes the red mist to descend and the chance of a sensible discussion ensuing becomes almost non-existent. It’s part of the reason I stopped participating in discussions in P&D. You’ll eventually get a gaggle of the regulars being more obstinate, insulting and generally stubborn than anyone else is willing and/or prepared to be, and when they’ve shouted long and loud enough for everyone else to get bored, they consider an intellectual victory to have been achieved. This cements their opinions even further and perpetuates the derailing and name calling that more often than not takes place in political discussion threads nowadays.
    I think you're quite off the mark. I (on this thread at least) haven't suggested capitalism is worse than other systems and have not mentioned Bush, Thatcher or anyone else.

    I have merely highlighted a sad incident of human greed prompted by the capitalist principle that 'business is business'- i.e. that ethical dilemmas come second to the chance of making money.

    I am quite astonished (though not really surprised) that one or two individuals should choose to contest the undeniable fact that capitalism is not a socially conscious system and that it puts making as much profit as possible above everything else, including morality and ethics.

    This is nothing about ''red mist'' (whatever that's supposed to mean) or about whether capitalism is better or worse than other systems. I was not the one to start mentioning communism and making comparisons between different systems. That's not what this thread is about.

    Frankly, anyone who tries to deny that capitalism has certain unpleasant aspects, one of them being putting profit before people and conscience is either completely clueless or deluding themselves.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How would you describe the actions of these people :

    http://www.royalarsenalwoolwich.co.uk/munitionettes.htm

    Ethical ?

    Are third parties likely to be harmed ?

    Do you think they are acting with a conscience ?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    aaaaah, I see you are incapable of following my points, so you result to disrupting the thread instead. You seem unable to tell me what you mean by "reification", unable to understand what is meant by ideology and unable to understand points about social relations, let alone your complete lack of ability to understand political and economic theory.

    0/10

    Unwilling rather than incapable. Why exactly am I required to explain all these things, which I am sure you understand?

    Yet again you seek to dig yourself out by frocing the burden of proof on to others whilst thinnking that saying 'under a communist system everything would be provided for' is the 'theory' counts as a valid point in the debate.

    and again you mistake 'not agreeing' with 'not understanding' which underlines your breathtaking arrogance in beleiveing that ou are right all the time, which makes your participation in a debate rather futile.

    As for disruption I thought the thread was going reasonably well until you started insulting people..........
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Can someone define capitalism for me please, there seem to be at least three versions of it in this thread, all of which actually describe various aspects of a mercantilist state and not what I understand to be capitalism.

    p.s. Who is the customer in this case?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Can someone define capitalism for me please

    Expanding capital stock by earning profit from a free market.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Define capital please. ;)

    And define "free market" I think a free market is one without any restrictions whatsoever (bar voluntarily accepted ones).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Productive, non-consumable wealth.
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