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Paltry rise in Minimum Wage to come

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    Are you worth it? The same could be asked. I wouldn't turn down £20 an hour myself.
    for me to pay you that much ...you'd have to be offering a bit more than sweat.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    morrocan roll wrote:
    for me to pay you that much ...you'd have to be offering a bit more than sweat.
    Who said I'd be working for you? If you had your way, I'd probably have to pay you for working for you. :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    I'd probably have to pay you for working for you. :p
    thats not as daft as it sounds mate ...believe me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally Posted by stargalaxy
    Are you worth it? The same could be asked. I wouldn't turn down £20 an hour myself.

    Jesus. Ambition, eh?
    thats not as daft as it sounds mate ...believe me.

    Between you me and the gatepost.

    Goodbye Mr. Taxman. :wave:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    Jesus. Ambition, eh?
    Says the man who doesn't believe in laws, countries or currency. Do they pay you in magic beans? :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Says the man who doesn't believe in laws, countries or currency. Do they pay you in magic beans? :p

    No they pay me in shitty paper which I convert to real stuff asap.

    And soon, they will be printing it for me via the NHS. :hyper:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    How about £10 per hour? £15? £20? How do you set something like that?

    you really need to sort out that knee jerk reaction, you'll kick someone someday

    and as for the persons comment concerning cupermarket pay, they are sometimes very good, and remember its all comparative, just because say tescos can afford to pay really high wages, doesnt mean a local corner shop can
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    If it weren't for New Labour there would be no minimum wage and millions of people across the country would still be 'earning' slave wages. You should be grateful for that.

    Overstatement. Its introduction saw 800,000 or so people affected, rising to just under a million after its increases.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    minimi38 wrote:
    Overstatement. Its introduction saw 800,000 or so people affected, rising to just under a million after its increases.
    and with tax credits that probably rises to four million.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nothing like crumbs to keep your eyes off the loaf, eh?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    Nothing like crumbs to keep your eyes off the loaf, eh?
    if a guy aint hungry ...he won't work.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if a guy aint hungry ...he won't work.

    Theres more than one kind of hunger.

    Once of a day, work was that annoying crap I had to put up with before I could go and do the things I really wanted to do.

    Now I get paid more than I ever used to for something I would do for free.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i think some people have either forgot, or are too young to remember life before a minimum wage.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In London, like in America the really low paid work – in fast food, cleaning, hotels and catering a sizeable chunk of people in these sectors are immigrants. While in Britain and America that’s partly because locals won’t do these jobs a lot of the reason is that the wages are so low making locals uninterested. Indeed, the only pay rise for a lot of people in these low paid sectors is from stuff like the minimum wage – although for many that makes no difference given that there’s a lot of people working illegally earning significantly under the minimum wage. For as long as there is a large pool of cheap labour, largely from Eastern Europe wages and conditions in a lot of low paid work will be kept artificially low. I’m not advocating this – but if immigration started to dwindle the market would react and be forced to offer higher wages in the really low paid sectors. Although prices would soon rocket if all these sectors lost their supply of cheap labour and reducing immigration to that extent would be unrealistic and have other negative consequences.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    minimi38 wrote:
    Overstatement. Its introduction saw 800,000 or so people affected, rising to just under a million after its increases.
    Are you saying that 800,000 people lost their jobs as a result of the minimum wage?

    Really?

    Can I see a link?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No i'm not saying that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My impression, from the news I've been hearing throughout, is that no jobs at all were lost as a result of the introduction of the m.g. Well, there might have been a very few for all know, but since unemployment was been consistently dropping for many years now, whichever microscopic losses might have happened as a result of the m.g. were cancelled over many times over by people finding jobs.

    Bottom line: the warnings about massive job losses and industry collapses were nothing buy lies and scaremongering. And they like to see themselves as experts in business afairs. Why should we trust another word the CBI says?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I meant 800k people had thier pay increased due to the minimum wage, rising to just under a million after the increases rather than millions. You are right there was no aggregate effect on employment levels.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh, I'm sorry. I completely misunderstood you there.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Disillusioned wrote:
    In London, like in America the really low paid work – in fast food, cleaning, hotels and catering a sizeable chunk of people in these sectors are immigrants. While in Britain and America that’s partly because locals won’t do these jobs a lot of the reason is that the wages are so low making locals uninterested. Indeed, the only pay rise for a lot of people in these low paid sectors is from stuff like the minimum wage – although for many that makes no difference given that there’s a lot of people working illegally earning significantly under the minimum wage. For as long as there is a large pool of cheap labour, largely from Eastern Europe wages and conditions in a lot of low paid work will be kept artificially low. I’m not advocating this – but if immigration started to dwindle the market would react and be forced to offer higher wages in the really low paid sectors. Although prices would soon rocket if all these sectors lost their supply of cheap labour and reducing immigration to that extent would be unrealistic and have other negative consequences.

    You've got that arse about face. Business demands the low wages and the immigration, not the other way round. Why do you think borders are relaxed and the EU is being expanded? To allow for precisely this economic migration to service the needs of capital to pay low wages.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You've got that arse about face. Business demands the low wages and the immigration, not the other way round. Why do you think borders are relaxed and the EU is being expanded? To allow for precisely this economic migration to service the needs of capital to pay low wages.

    You have to pay for all those taxes, licences, regulations and kickbacks somehow.

    State violence doesn't come cheap.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I really dont understand your position SG, first you're saying we need less government meddling and just get people and government get on with it, now you're complaining the government isnt doing enough?

    Do you have a position or do you just like getting angry?
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    bongbudda wrote:
    I really dont understand your position SG, first you're saying we need less government meddling and just get people and government get on with it, now you're complaining the government isnt doing enough?

    The typical conservative I find.

    One second... it's "Too much governemnt, theym ust be got rid of"... as soon as anything happens at all... they all shout "What is the government doing about this?!"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    The typical conservative I find. One second... it's "Too much governemnt, theym ust be got rid of"... as soon as anything happens at all... they all shout "What is the government doing about this?!"
    No, the problem is usually that the Government is interfering in the wrong area. This thread was initially here to point out the widening gulf between politicians and the people, but it seems to have been interpreted differently. Why are some of you alleged socialists on the same side as politicians who are used to dealing with hedge funds and offshore accounts?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    edit. far too harsh
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    No, the problem is usually that the Government is interfering in the wrong area. This thread was initially here to point out the widening gulf between politicians and the people, but it seems to have been interpreted differently. Why are some of you alleged socialists on the same side as politicians who are used to dealing with hedge funds and offshore accounts?

    You keep going on about us being socialists, I dont think more than about 2 people on here would describe themselves that way.

    So you're against the minimum wage or just against rich people who are politicians?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    You keep going on about us being socialists, I dont think more than about 2 people on here would describe themselves that way.

    So you're against the minimum wage or just against rich people who are politicians?
    Well, these boards are dominated by left-wingers, that much is certain.

    But I find it amazing that the Left doesn't understand what I'm saying. I'm arguing from a very liberal line of attack here. The people who set the minimum wage happen to earn massive amounts of money in wages, expenses and pensions. And then they tell us to live within our means. What a bunch of hypocrites. It amazes me that so many of you don't grasp this point - or do you quietly sympathise with the politicians here?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Stockholm syndrome.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    Stockholm syndrome.
    What's Stockholm Syndrome?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    What's Stockholm Syndrome?

    It is where hostages learn to love their holders, not really a great example but quite a funny image anyway.
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