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True. I will not argue with that.
But cars and other vehicules do too and are use by smokers and non-smokers.
As I said if people were worried about their health they woul not go down to the pub in the first place.
Yes I am a smoker. And no I would no think differently.
I don't like people being drunk and sticking around me.
And what do I do, do I complain to them or try to have some law made so people stop getting drunk (which is pretty bad for you too btw).
No I don't. I just don't go where they are that's all.
And to that you would probably reply it is not the same cos there is no health issue, well there is one indeed and it is stress.
Your talking about walking into someone elses place and then telling them what to do. A place you voluntarily choose to go into. If you don't like, don't go.
within modern society we make so much waste and nasty bi products. things that were not even allowed in dinking water 10 years ago now have acceptable levels.
The violence that is inherent with being around people who are completely shitfaced is quite perilous to one's health too.
I think it's quite sad that more non-smokers aren't supportive of having smoking and non-smoking venues for drinking and socialising. Surely that would suit everyone. But then you get the odd person who'd start saying "but I wanted to go to that bar...". To be honest, going outside to have a smoke is a small price to pay if the constant nagging is a thing of the past.
edit: this was in agreement with nihilistic's post, you people are too damn fast.
i agree for once
there should of been such that pubs that allow smoking have to provide suffienct ventilation or segregation so people can smoke if they want
however i'm partially glad something was done, but it shouldn't of been this harsh
I think I'd actually be in favour of it. But does this mean that a non-smoker has the right to go into the smokers' area if their friends are over there as well? Meaning that breathing in smoke is by choice.
Why shouldn't I go into that place? E.g. i want a drink, the person harming me isn't the owner it's the customers there... I'm telling them what to do not the landlord...
Why should sensible / non addicted people be punished for cigarette companies exploiting addictive drugs? I say sensible, in that smoking has no health / wellbeing benefits and there is no logical reason to do it... (Having a cigarette relieves stress... this stress is caused by the craving to have one due to the addiction).
Obviously these people may be sensible in other aspects..
and club.
some of you people seem to believe we need this big friendly uncle ...with lots of big friendly mates ...to look after us.
if the non smokers were realy troubled ...they would have built non smoking areas.
example ...the gay community in manchester suffered one of the uk's scariest police chiefs in history ...james anderton.
they had had enough and did what?
revamped a derelict cotton mill canal side wharf.
renamed it ...the pink village. massive sucsess!
guess what?
the government didn't do it ...the people did.
i don't get all you pissed off anti smokers ...why after all this pissed offness have we never ever seen one of you open a pub or club ...for like minded non smokers?
why do you think that is?
I haven’t worked in a pub now for about 6 months and I can tell the difference... I was always having bad coughs and colds. Also the smell just becomes engrained into your clothes and your hair, at the end of the night you would stink of smoke.
A sensible idea for pubs and bars is to have an area outside, which is properly covered and maybe heated by some gas heaters. This would give an area for people to smoke outside, in a place which is not enclosed and does not affect people around them
I am probably alone in feeling this way, but I'd rather sit on the kerb and smoke than be directed to a little enclosure where I can indulge my filthy habit away from the nicotine-free paragons of virtue seated comfortably inside.
I could get behind the covered aspect though, I suppose, lighting a ciggy in the rain is a real bastard.
i open a bar ...you can smoke in my bar.
but now ...kermit can open his bar ...i can't open mine!
how much law do you people need!
It's not your place. The landlord sets the rules. If you don't like his/her rules, go somewhere else. Someone will open up something you like to get your money, don't worry about that. (Every time I point out that taxation is theft this is what I get told. )
Smoking does serve a purpose. Always. It's not just an addicitve substance, it has a positive benefit for those who smoke. And smoking is also a voluntary act. Your blanket assumption that only gullible fucknuts smoke is bizzarre and severely misguided.
Bunnies! Like I said smoking always has a positive benefit to the smoker, above and beyond the cravings. Otherwise they'd just stop.
Don't know where you heard this, but fags create stress, they mimic certain aspects of fight or flight response.
So are you...probably......
Do you really think that making someone else create a smoke free environment is worth ruining someone over, jailing someone over, physically manhandling someone over, robbing someone over or kidnapping someone over?
Robbing someone over? kidnapping someone over? ... Smoke free places won't do as well as they can't sell cigarettes and they wont get smokers, therefore they are limiting their consumer base.. They cant compete with the places that will allow smokers, so the non-smokers would end up going there anyway cos of better quality everything else (drinks prices etc).
As for what you said about cigarettes creating stress...I agree thats what i was saying...the benefits they give are the stress relief of having one...relieving stress that otherwise would not be there if they didn't smoke. Having a cig doesn't make work dead lines less pressuring and stressful does it?
I also wasn't saying all smokers are fuck ups...You say they would just stop... well no, they wouldn't... because they are addicted. There ARE benefits to smoking, these being the stress relief I just talked about... you can get these benefits from not smoking at all and also avoid giving others around you and yourself lung cancer!
So yeah... I agree with this particular legislation..
And what are people who go to a nightclub meant to do? Plead with the bouncers to let them out and then back in every time they have a fag?
What on earth was wrong with having smoking and non-smoking pubs?
I speak as a non-smoker by the way.
Just a thought, as people will smoke less (apparently) and therefore will buy less there will be a reduction in the amount of tax pulled in by the treasury. I presume that all those cheering about this new infringement on liberty are happy to fork out a few more quid to prop up the NHS?
Clearly you've never lived with an alcoholic, or been in a town a kick out time, or lived near a pub/club etc...
And that makes you a NICOTINE NAZI
So in this statement we can see exactly how high it is on the list of values - not very high at all.
this is what all government legislation is. Whenever you agree with the idea that you can pass a law against something, you are agreeing it's ok to kill for it, because that's what it ultimatly amounts to.
And that scares me shitless, to be quite frank. I've been my own authority, my own permission since I could crawl and these fucknuts are going to deliver me into slavery with their indifferene and their apathy.
Every cloud has a silver lining. When you get locked up,you can get a ciggie in peace then.Prisons are exempt :rolleyes:
Smokers tend to die younger and are more likely to need hospital treatment for lung cancer etc. But non-smokers still need the NHS, they still get illnesses and they still need to be treated, and for a longer period of time.
That said its a infringement of personal liberty to ban something which has been legal since tobacco came into this country.
Exempt,along with all "Crown Properties"
I've heard similar quite often. Can you link to any stats or studies etc for me please?
Thank you. As A smoker, I agree here. A TOTAL ban is too far. The Pub itself should be able to choose if it wants to be smoking or non-smoking.
FFS, half the folks in the world go to the pub, for a pint and smoke. This is totally fucking rediciulous. First we get stupid Anti-Terror laws, then ID cards (A wasted opportunity), then Smoking ban.
This government, HAS to go.
Edit: Wouldn't stopping the war in Iraq save Thousands of People's lives too? Infact, save MORE? And lol at Nicotine Nazi joke.
does it?
you giving me lung cancer just makes you a standard nazi tbh