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What about all the recent lobbying by Christians to have Jery Springer the Opera banned?
They certainly don't seem to believe in freedom of expression............
To be fair to Christianity the producers of Jerry Spronger the Opera aren't in hiding protected by Special Branch bodyguards
Both are products of secular society, not a devoutly religious one.
Salmon Rushdie was fantastic, writing a book which said Allah fucked his mother...what a way to make a living!
Allah - or Muhammed?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4654110.stm
Seek and ye shall find.
Oh well. Yet again current Politics shows itself to be a confused mess, do we want to offend X or Y? Or shall we fail to try to keep both happy?
Government surprise defeat in Commons over anti-hatred bill
Hooray!
Yes. Have you heard of Jesus? He has a different angle on things.
Allah is the Islamic term for 'god' so I think you were looking for Mohammed ...
The point is Teagan that both religions have good points and bad points, almost to an indentical degree. Fundies and extremists choose to concentrate on the bad points for their own gain/agenda. That's all.
Been to Middle America lately? I quote from Ann Coulter, well known American TV show host "we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert their people to Christianity". And she is one of the more moderate. People like Jerry Falwell, Phelps and Pat Robertson are no different to the mad Ayatollahs after the revolution in Iran, except they are white and Christian.
Thats just it. There isnt.
Muslims believe thaqt the Quran is the absolute word of God - not to be interpreted in any way except that which it is written.
The Christian west had something called the Enlightenment in which the bible was subject to rational critiscism.
You all know perfectly well what I am talking about.
Islam is an odious creed, much worse and far less tolerant than Christianity.
Islam had that too, about 1000 years ago. They had scientists in the caliphate who calculated the distance to the moon and could quote from memory the works of Aristotle and Plato. Islamic fundamentalism is a recent phenomena, founded in thought by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Until the late 70s and early80s, the main driving force in the Middle East was nationalism, with Islam very much seen as a private thing.
And there are still people in the western world (usually called southern Baptists) who say the Bible is the literall word of God. Last time I checked there millions of such people, in the nation that was BASED on Enlightenment thought.
Have you ever met a Muslim?
Oh dear oh dear oh dear... :rolleyes:
Ah well. One day, he might realise all Religions are much the same.
the new testament effectively says to forget about the eye for an eye stuff by the way
Too true! Christianity would be a actually be quite a cool religon if it wasn't for the Christians ..
I would have thought you would agree, being a militant atheist yourself.
I also think singleing out one religion but not the others isn't much fair, since there is little to separate them.
The problem lies with those who choose certain passages to manipulate and dictate the lives of others whether they adhere to the beliefs or not, or to oppress, kill, steal land or wage war on others under such cover. And such people exist in all main three religions, not just Islam.
I think the point of that is, ALL Religions are bad. Not just Islam... (Indeed, most REligions preach practically the same things anyway).
There are extreme Christians. Although no Christians in recent memory to the best of my knowledge reacted to a book in the way so many Muslims did to Salmon Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses.
I’m not a Christian but it’s a plain lie to claim the extreme elements of Christianity and Islam are as bad as each other. I have nothing against Muslims or Islam in general but the creed of Islam, or ‘Islamofascism’ that many Muslims practice is incompatible with values such as freedom of expression.
You're wrong Mat and you know it so quit stirring shit.