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klintock called Aladin a fascist. I'm pointing out that it may be authoratarian, but thats not the same as fascist.
Errr...I did. You're still wrong.
Fascist means only one thing MoK.
You've lost me.
They're authoratarian - not the same thing as fascist.
I appear to have a better grasp than you...
Errrr...no. Its a situation we have now MoK. I thought your grasp of politics was better than this...
No, it isn't. Fascisn is way more complex.
Sure it is. All governments are the exactly the same. All that changes are the parties that benefit or suffer and how far they go in their desire for control.
Facism apparently goes a lot further than other systems. I don't agree with this, I think it's just a lot more obvious than say, western democracy, which does a marvellous job of hiding total control under the guise of being free.
All governments are authoritarian, they demand total obedience with no exceptions, accept no limits on their powers save for those they haven't claimed yet because they don't feel they need them.
Al's position is one that set "a" of values is wrong, and set "b" of values is a better set, so we should use the fiction of the state to acquire the force to impose set "b" values on everyone else.
You can't see why this is identical to fascism?
All I will say Klintock is that:
a) you don't appear to have the slightest fucking clue what the word 'fascism' means
b) discussing the issue with you is pointless anyway since incredibly (and hilariously) you don't believe there is such thing as verbal abuse or that people can be offended, insulted and hurt by words. Isn't that right?
Yeah I thought so.
Goodbye. :wave:
Added to your affinity for expressing a desire for physically harming those who you don't agree with, I suggest you seek help.
It's one man using violence and threats of violence against another for a stated aim. Exactly the same as all other government.
"What marvellous luck for governments that men do not think"
Adolf
Why not refer to violence/oppression as something other than fascism, because arguments like this go nowhere...fuck all point in us all arguing over semantics every day.
I'm simple, not a fool. What's this "specific political meaning" balderdash. Watch what's happening, ignore the name and hey presto! you see they are all the same. Oh, and it's a meaning so specific that it takes that guy 200 pages to show his opinion of what it means. Still his opinion, and only that.
I have pointed out why there is no difference between fascism and western democracy or any other form of "governance" for that matter a good few times now. None of you have gone anywhere near the issue of similarity I raised.
Violent oppresion is fascism, is monarchy, is democracy blah blah blah blah blah! I am saying they are all exactly identical (save for the PR/languaging).
Sadly this has forced me to engage with Klintock again, as this time there isn't just the usual lunatic stuff to contend with, but bollocks and lies too.
Kindly provide any evidence to support your claims that I wish to physically harm those I don't agree with- or STFU.
There's a good boy.
Ok here is a small selection of your desire for violence;-
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showpost.php?p=1538516&postcount=17
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showpost.php?p=1538664&postcount=21
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showpost.php?p=1497117&postcount=5
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?t=90231
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?t=89345
That's about all I can be arsed to drag up atm. You've advocated government action for all kinds of things Al, and as you know fuill well, they only ever use threats or violence to get things done.
Every time you say "these people shouldn't be allowed to do...." you are advocating violence.
ETA
If your having "blackouts" and don't remember your deranged outbursts, I really would seek help.
So I'll ask again: show us the evidence, or STFU regarding lies about what I say or believe in doing.
And please do try to use Planet Earth semantics and logic instead of (predictably) trying to redifine the meaning of various words.
I thought you were a fan of good, solid facts. Well? Physical violence? Where have I advocated that? When?
And so on......you go on and on in this vein over and over.
Add in all the time you have said that the law should do something and you really are a very anti-social individual indeed.
Keep digging Klintock. The world could do with a trans-planet Britain-to-Fiji tunnel.
Now if you excuse me...
i.e. your a fascist, violent nutcase who is almost totally lacking self awareness.
Either that or you're just pretending you don't get it, because the hole is now far too deep to get out of and the spade has broken.
So where is that evidence Klintock?
You cannot back up your claims can you?
Well, that'd be a first...
How does a government get people to do what it wants them to do?
Force, violence, threats.
How does a government get people to do what you want it to do?
Force, violence, threats.
So, if you are in favour of a government doing things for your benefit, you must be in favour of violence to get what you want.
Simple, even a five year old could follow it.
Now, whether you accept state violence as legitimate or not isn't relevent here. Or are you so mentally unhinged that you are going to say that "state" violence isn't violence at all?
Aside from what i just said and -
Theres plenty more examples of that from you on the boards Al, but it's tangential to the point I am making. Off you pop and be violent, but don't deny it, you just look daft.
What other examples would those be? Really?
Since you are claiming that I threaten anyone I don't agree with with physical violence, why don't you go and ask any of the hundreds of posters I have disagreed with on these boards alone (some of them on a nearly constant basis) and see if any of them can confirm I have threatened them with physical violence?
Well?
Stop lying. Stop digging. Stop making things up.
Except that that's an analysis only fit for a GCSE level essay, if that. The truth is way more complex. Klintock has a problem with the real world I think.
I never said you wanted to do it personally, did I?
Just that you are quite willing to employ others to do it for you through theftation.
Well, yeah.
I am aso saying that they have an identical structure in the real world (as do barrett homes and McD's for that matter) that the political language is designed to hide, whether that be "divine right of kings" or "for the people, by the people" or anything else.
I would say that your the one with the problem. Making something simple like "one man robs another" into something complicated like "not paying your fair share" is the sort of error your really, really good at making.
By all means pull me up on the specific analogy I have used rather than get the point. Your good at that too. :rolleyes:
Errr...except they don't.
Nice one Klintock.
I can now safely let the ignore function resume its work.
Have a nice week.
You too, you violent nutter.
Really? How come you think that?
Because they don't. As you would know if you bothered to learn something instead of wanking on about stuff you obviously know shit all about.
You are thinking that the political labels mean anything. As though a roomful of sergeants don't have a leader or something. I can only imagine how little you use them senses you have.