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it's not all just about being off your tits at all!
but ...all these years down the road i have to shit and shave like every other man. i have all of lifes problems to deal with like any other man.
yes drugs can and do give deep insight but ...i still don't know how to feed the hungry ...
i can't pull rabbits out of hats or walk on water.
in fact ...my deep spiritual and mystical experiences are no more than holidays in space ...trips.
Which is of course only your limited personal experience.
:rolleyes:
So why try to create an argument then? No-one's suggested taking an E will definitely open the door to a lifelong friendship with someone. It may, it may not - but the scope is certainly there.
Certainly.
See this is what I was talking about earlier on in the thread. Where have I said that people who've never taken MDMA aren't empathic? Absolutely nowhere.
Drugs can give you experiences that you couldn't get by any other means. That was my point.
And sometimes it is much more than simply beng off your tits. Drugs have had a very big effect on my life. My many experiences with ecstasy have made me a far more tolerent and confident person, of that I'm sure.
It was an implication of your statement.
Yes, they can do. It doesn't necessarily follow.
A lot of the time its totally false. How many real friends have you made through gurning yer tits off? Real friends who you can count on in a crisis, call at 3am when feeling down? Not many I bet.
Not many, but I can say I am considerably closer to several of my friends and have had mates who've worked through problems very effectively with it.
No it wasn't. You were just being awkward.
Yes, that's what I said.
Well obviously it takes more than sharing drug experiences to be real mates but that's not the point I was making, my experiences with ecstasy have made me a more tolerent and confident person even after the effects of the drug have worn off.
Do you believe ecstasy could be useful in counseling?
That's the approach that got Timothy Leary in so much trouble.
Yep, it's the individual that makes it. Johnny Vegas makes me piss my sides when he's had a few. Does that mean if you get pissed you can do stand up?
I don't the see the logic behind that...if you become closer to someone from taking E, that's purely a result of the drug. The context being underground cultural revolution or whatever is surely an irrelevence to how the drugs affects relationships, other than drawing together a broadly like-minded crowd.
it is what you do with those experiences."
How can it be "purely a result of the drug"? That makes no sense. Its an interaction between the drug, the personalities of the people who took the drug (and all their experiences etc that make up those personalities), the expectations of the drug experience (made up of previos experiences, talking to friends, social discourse, culture, music, the media etc), the dynamic between the two people, the environment they're in etc etc.
As for shoplifting, what I was going to add is thats its a short term solution to a long term problem. If nobody ever shoplifted I expect markets would be more 'harmonious' and prices may come down, so those who cant afford could now afford, etc. etc.
I'm not quite sure where you got that from. Could you elaborate a bit more?
I mean, I was just thinking, shoplifting is obviously a cost, and that works it way up, and so prices must be more expensive (in theory) to cover shoplifting. If there was none, then theoretically speaking, prices will drop as the costs drop (either new shops open because they can now make a profit, or whatever). Not sure if it would work in practice, but over a long time....
But then theres shoplifting for goods to survive and shoplifting for luxury goods. I think one is justifiable and the other is not. But then it becomes more complex when you need to steal expensive items to sell to afford to pay the rent. This is confusing me, what a fucked up world we live in.
I'm against shoplifting, yes, its wrong. But if you need to steal to eat, then what else can you do. I would never like to live in a society where we dont let people eat, sleep safely or anything just because they dont have money, because thats one of the most inconsequential things of all.
Another way of looking at it is that its predominantly poor people stealing from predominantly rich people, so maybe its a good thing in a redistribution of wealth that is needed in society. We have a wider gap now between the rich and the poor than at any time for the last half century. On a personal level, having things stolen also effects you in an emotional way, and the police must run investigations and all that, so the cost of shoplifting is higher than the cost of the item.
I personally wouldnt steal. But then, I have enough money so that when I need something I am able to get it.