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Its as simple as that and what you are doing is criminal.
so .. maybe its a crime, buts its a fuckin brilliant crime if you ask me
Your pirating harms the people who actually do want to buy the games but can't because either Steam doesn't work properly on their machine or Securom 7 is incompatible with their CD Drive. These people would have been able to play the games if people like you hadn't made it essential for these technologies to be implemented and distributed.
And that's why there are devices that trick the safety parts such as that.
It isn't harming people, thats bullshit. They still earn a living, because people DO buy stuff. Piracy has been about since things that could be pirated were invented. Piracy was at it's prime during the VHS and Casette era. Now it's harder, and NOW people bitch about it.
Dont make me post the infamous downloading MP3's image, now
This isn't an argument of if people do it. This is me saying its wrong.
If I go out and decide I want a Dyson vacume cleaner but despite fact its a luxury to have one I just do not want to pay that much. So what I do is copy the entire thing and build my own at a fraction of the cost ignoring patents. Is this OK because I haven't cheated Dyson out of a product they have built and other people will still buy Dysons.
The answer is no its not OK. The only reason data piracy is such a problem is because it is so easy to do. This does not make people who crack disc protection programs good. It isn't even particularly clever programming to beat most CD protections.
I was mega pissed off when one of my own commercial programs appeared on a warez forum though.
Swings and roundabouts.
now movie piracy, someone please explain to me how it is ok to charge £20 for a dvd, when the film came out in the 50's and made back all it's costs years ago?
How come I just had to pay full price for some BBC shite my cousin wants for xmas when it's already been paid for once?
You paid to watch it once. Its like the fact anything you record off the TV you have to delete after so long.
Well, "you" in this case means "everyone who isn't me" I don't pay the TV licence, and have no intention of ever doing. Not that I would refuse if there was a genuine obligation, you understand.
Not that they stop coming around, but I have a knack of asking the questions that no one else would think of when they do.
Well, why is the price more than that of a blank video then?
Buying a blank video allows you to record something to watch again soon but just because you have recorded something off the TV or radio does not give you the license to play that indefinately.
right, when its me (one person) you're talking about, it makes NO DIFFERENCE, as ive said several times but you just cant seem to grasp it
and someone seems a bit bitter, eh ?
Are you actually thick? Of course it makes a difference. What your basically (I think) trying to say is on a large scale it makes an insignificant difference but the fact is your not the only idiot who thinks this way. Therefore the idiots thiat think this way are a significant factor so it DOES make a difference. Look I can use capitals too to make my point seem more correct.
Your argument here is sound.
The Moral ground though, im not so sure of. One man, does, contribute to Piracy as a whole, if he buys nothing.
But someone, as in my position, does not. I buy it when I can, when I can't, I Pirate! I still fail to see why actuall theft is a valid comparison - it is not.
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i think i made it pretty clear a few times that i was talking about me personally
it would be a different story if i initially had the intention of buying the software, but thats not the case
even if i (me .. one person .. again..) didnt use the pirated software, it would still be cracked and released anyway ..
meaning .. it makes no impact on anyone if i use the software or not .. whats so hard to understand ?
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Not true. If nobody used pirated software, it wouldn't be cracked and released. The fact that you participate in the piracy market means that you DO contribute to piracy, regardless of how you try and dress it up.
Want a beer? Can't afford it? Have some water.
Use it regularly? Pay for it. Can't afford it? Tough shit.
Piracy is theft, there is absolutely no other way to describe it. If piracy wasn't an option, you'd either find the money to buy it, find a free alternative, or find a different hobby.
I've used pirated software in the past. I think we all have. I have a lot of MP3s on my computer as well - but they are generally ripped from my CD collection, or my fathers. If I listen to something regularly, I'll buy it(or if my father has it, I'll not feel bad about not paying for it).
I use someone elses work without paying for it - guilty as charged. But I try and do what I feel is right morally - I try to pay for it if I use it regularly. Still makes me a thief.
Get some balls, accept the part you play in the system.
Personally, I, Pirate because things are a) Stupidly proced up, cauing b) I cannot afford it. I have already gone over this in this topic.
So what, I should go without? You are free to think that, all you like. I'll just think otherwise. Piracy has been around since piratable things were invented. And if it WAS so bad, and casuing SO MUCH damage, why are the big cunts at the top still living their luxury lifestlye earning billions a year? Bullshit, thats what I smell. The Film and music industry, if it is in crisis as it claims, its a self imposed crisis. Take a pay cut, you rich twats, you'll never spend all that money anyway. Perhpas gives the artists more instead? Or would that be logical, as THEY did the work, not some shitty publisher.
i really think it ive made it pretty clear that im not talking about everyone, im talking about me specifically .. look at it whatever way you want, what i said is 100% true ..
the people doing harm are the people who crack and release the software (not me),
the people who share the software (not me, again) .. i don't download/share software on any p2p etc, leech all the way eh .. if i shared anything that i have then theres the possiblity that people will download off me instead of buying, so i could be contributing in that sense .. but since i dont .. im not.
and the people who download the software instead of buying it (guess what .. not me, again!) ..
thats the important part, when i say instead of buying it i mean that they would have bought it in the first place, if the pirated version wasnt readily available .. they'd go to the shop and buy it ( .. still not me)
and yes, they would still be cracked and released, even if theres not much demand .. the groups that do it generally do it for a hobby .. obviously it would take a while longer to circulate round the net and work its way to your average p2p, but just because its not as easily available to the masses doesnt mean its not there
this argument really is going in circles and i suppose you can look at it in different ways, but the bottom line is you're talking about a large scale, everyone who pirates as a whole .. thats not what im talking about
It IS theft. It is intellectual property. It would be exactly the same as copying the Harry Potter book in a photocopier and releasing it at a cheaper value.
Then if people do want a copy with all the registered functions in, then they could get a username and password to a members only area of a website, bind it to an IP address so it can only be logged in from the computer that registered it, and (maybe) do the same with the software too. (yeah well maybe that would pose difficulties) I don't know, it just seems at the moment alot of developers are asking for piracy.
As for movies, well i'm sorry but it's no difficult at all to convert old movie formats to digital. Yeah you can sell them off as 'digitally remastered', but that justifies charging £20 for a film that made it's money back years ago at the box office? I think not. Even todays top films make profit at the cinema, and then even more on DVD's that cost probably less than a £1 to produce.
One of my hobbies is collecting films circa 1920 to 1950 and i wouldn't have been able to see half of these without the internet.
Actually, haven spoken to said people before... They usually hold down full time jobs. They see the cracking as a hobby, a challenge to be done. Why climb Everest? The Challenge. Why crack the latest game? The Challenge. It's something they can do, are good at, so do it.
He spent the revenue from the adverts on being able to own a domain, mainly. Or buying beer!
Besides, cracks aren't bad. I have many cracked legal games I own, saves fucknig aobut with a CD when I want to play it. Plus runs faster, if its a game that plays Audio off the disk, I can just bung that on the HDD.
As for things like that great little SD 4 crack? Well, obviously for Piracy.. but hey... it must have been a sodding big challenge to get that Working.
And FFS, I need a pirate version of Vanashing Point. I bought the real DVD because I love that film... I really do. And guess what? The sod has gone missing. GAH! I don't want to have to pay for that again! Although look like i'll have too.
i don't get these from websites that genereate any revenue for anyone
generally a crack is included with a release, i haven't visted a ad bunged site for a crack for years .. i don't get any warez from websites
and its not the same you fucking moron .. maybe if i was selling copies of the game to people, which im not, so its not the case at all .. i suggest you stop making examples .. every one of them has been terrible
No you just haven't any excuse for your actions. You entire argument revolves around you not making a difference. You get those releases from somewhere. You don't go and knock on the door of someone who is cracking these things. The money generated by advertising is paying for the upkeep of servers that are distributing the cracks and warez to people who are pirating for profit.
You are getting something you have no right to have. You haven't purchased it and you insist that you have some sort of right to it just because you want it. The harry potter stories are intellectual property. The designs to a new car is property. Just because they can be copied to another format without destroying the original does not mean that somebody does not have ownership rights to that information.
Patents are a perfect example of how knowledge is protected. You are stealing peoples work.
Most cracks are ugly badly constructed undisciplined pieces of code. Some of them are genius I admit but the time spent writing them could have actually been spent writing something beneficial. When I am writing software it irritates me the amount of effort I now have to go to just to stop people trying to steal my work and pass it off as their own.
word, though i download things myself, not because its right or wrong, more of a case that i can
But it isn't wrong in the same way stealing a car is.
I really want to post a link to Hacker or Spacker on b3ta. Sadly, it doesn't seem to exist anymore.