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No.
But there are plenty of people behind the scenes who tell these women "get your tits out or your career's over". Do you not think its exploitative to only give a woman a career if she gets naked on camera?
Stop looking at the superficial level, and start looking at the corporate media machine, and how it treats human beings as disposable accessories. It isn't just about women, men are treated as disposable cash machines too, but women do get it in the neck far more.
And?
What's your point caller?
I'm sure they do.
I'm also sure that FHM fabricates letters, like just about every other magazine does. Unless you believe that all air stewardesses will pork you given half a chance?
Not trying to.
Not least because I'm a man.
As I said, stop looking at the superficial.
Uh-uh. Stop trying to be pedantic, it doesn't suit you.
The phenomenon of people interacting which idiots think has a life of it's own. Hence the inverted comma's.
Behavioural changes in those classed as "women" and "men", specifically around the areas in law, divorce, ownership, working rights, contraception and also in the area of the media's presentation.
Even I don't play this game.
I'm sure many women choose to do the cover shoots etc, and enjoy it when they do without having anyone controlling them. The media is the media, but I thinkt he newapsers and tv are more to blame then magazines. INewspaeprs are constantly making up stroies, building people up then knocking them down while tv relaity shows biuild them up then ignore them or give them a contract to make a quick buck then take it away again. So there is some dodgy corportae guys taking advantage, isn't there peole like that in every bussiness, organisation and industry all over the world? Do we abolish it all??
Well the honeys competeion see's hundreds of entrants every year. Women choosing to put themselves in that situation, so maybe it isn't so bad?
You really think they spend their time making up letters?? I dont think every air stewadress would bone me no, but if a girl writes in with her own little sex story of how she boned the hot guy in a toilet, then who am I not to belive her?
well ytuo did make the statement there was no such thing as a harmles joke when clearly there is, I had to pull you up on that.
"those classed as"...by everybody but you. I'd say most of the changes have been driven by men (I guess you think different?). Men massively dominate women by number and influence in all these areas, "law, ownership...working rights... the media's presentation", but how does it help us decide whether lads mags are demeaning?
"Celebrity" is a powerful thing, and I think a lot of people (male or female) would be willing to push their own boundaries of what they "would do", if fame was a factor.
It's like these actors and actresses who become famous and then find there's been leaked a soft porn film/nude photographs that they made/had taken when they were a struggling thesp. It's unlikely that they were enjoying a flourishing porn career and suddenly decided to get into Hollywood Blockbusters; it's a sad fact that getting your kit off is the way to get ahead in "the business". For men to an extent, but especially for women.
So no, they're not necessarily stupid or weak-minded, fame is like a drug for some people and they'll do anything to get it when they're seeing celeb-status and adulation just a little further down the road. I think the same theory can be applied to a lot of girls who pose for "Lads mags", it's a stepping stone and to them it's a good thing, but I don't happen to agree.
No.
It's an imaginary distinction that gets treated as real. You decide it's there, then go and find out you were right. You see a group of individuals acting and call the various totals of their actions "society". I have no problem with this, I can see it might be a useful fiction. Problem is, you then try to fix the "society" when it's just a phenomenon you've created and decided to pay attention to.
No. Most change has come from pressure from women. The status quo was that men controlled everything yadda yadda. This has changed relatively recently. They still dominate, only not as much as they used to.
It doesn't. I wasn't addressing that point. They are demeaning, or a celebration of feminity or masculine power, or boring or arousing or whatever, depending on who looks at them. It's just an opinion.
I agree fame is tempting and may will do whatever it takes to become famous.
I just don't think you can say these top draw cel;ebs are vitims when they reap the benefits and seemingly enjoy what they do.
I don't like the messages in the lads mags much either, as I am not one of the lager loust and good time boys that many of the mags amrket to, but I don't see them as some big evil degrading people, men or women.
if they are then you have to include the womens mags as well, as they use similar tactics and imagery.
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Why single out guys?? Do you girls not finger themslevs over images of "hot boys" in magazines? The countless pop fodder magazines of here today, gone tomorrow stars. Are they not the same thing??
I have read the magazines, I am not an avid reader but I have read them. I like some of the women in them and they are sexually attractive to me. It doesn't mean I wouldnt treat them with respect if I met them, or any woman come to that.
Ever read what teen girls do? Or do you think all girls are virgins until they are married?
I also notice you didn't answe rmy questions.
It has nothing to do with being sexually repressed.
Have you ever spoken to a woman?
teenage girls dont masturbate over topless photos of men.
female sexuality is far more complex than that, for the most part it is psychological. girls dont get off on naked pics like boys do.
Now you are saying it's a totally normal thing for men to do. :crazyeyes
Yes men are visually aroused, yes women are aroused by what they feel (for the most part) so why is it wrong for men to like women only for looks?
You've just said that's how they are built for fucks sake!
So women never masturbate to pictures of men ever?? In the history of time?? all women?? Because your all so "complex"?
please.
Women are complex no doubt but to say women and girls don't masturbate over pictures is ridculous. You can always use ur imagination and look at a picture at the same time as well you know.
Do you know not all men masturbate over pictures either??
Now, interestingly there has been stuides that shop differences between men and women in stimulation. It csaid men are stimulted more by visual images, hence it conludes thats why porn is popular with men. But women respond more to auditory stimulation. hence why the "whispering sweet nothing's" is associted with women.
However I don't think anyone here was on about those differences.
This is a magazine debate, not a porn debate so lets steer clear of that.
So it seem syour suggesting the mags are giving subliminal messages to young boys. Maybe. But you would need years of psychological and sociologicla research to determined that and what its true effects are.
I think its a big leap to say these magazines are responible for this.
I mean they may play some part on certain people, but as a collective whole, I doubt it.
There messages that come from all over the place, not just magazines and these are then deliberated on and decided by the individuals concern.
i think blaimg the lad mags soley is a convinante scape goat.
after your performance on the drugs thread you ain't got a leg to stand on when it comes to defining what a debate is
Men like good looking women.
Not all women are good looking.
Ugly women argue that it's "wrong" to like good looking women. Men have to look for "inner beauty" and all that crap that women themselves wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.
Men fall for it.
Misery ensues.
What on earth are you on about
walkindude, these magazines represent women as sexual objects, accesories to be used and discarded. For the slow of brain, this is not the same as saying that women don't enjoy sex for sex's sake.
What is the biggest problem with this? Firstly, this hardwires an attitude to women, and men think it acceptable to indecently assault women in pubs and clubs- after all, "a slap is part of the crack". Secondly, it sets up an unrealistic ideal for men, who become angry and bitter when it does not come to fruition. being angry and bitter towards women isn't healthy for either gender, folks.
Teen girls don't tend to frig themselves over pictures of Westlife. Not one single girl I know (and many of my best mates are girls) did that.
As usual, your arguments are woefully simplistic, and ignore any points made by the people in the know that challenge your ignorant prejudices.
Interestingly, there is a large body of study in the sociology and lingustics fields that show words, and media representations of words, have a huge impact on gender awareness.
That the desire to fuck the most beautiful women you can is in built. The fact that it's not met is where the lads mags come in, to half-fulfil a need that isn't being met for most men.
The fact that it can't be met isn't the point. Desire isn't reasonable, and won't go away no matter how good the reasons for it to do so.
Not that harmful, tbh and i think the attitude was there long before lads mags and will be there for a long time to come. It's baby stuff - see - want - grab, and it's no surprise that it happens when idiots are pissed up.
I agree with this but I reckon it's already there to start with, if it wasn't a magazine, it would be Denise in the hairdressers or the checkout girl being lusted after. Part of male sexual response is to alienate feelings about a person from the act itself, it's another inbuilt thing from the days when it was shag as much as possible before death.
Anchoring 101.