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And the person responsible for that should be?
i werent talking about this thread in terms of the poster in question, i was pointing out it dont take a white male to be bigotted
and im all for treating people equally thank you very much
and AGAIN i repeat that im questioning the methods of this survey since the official source doesn't say what they said and asked exactly
found the story in particular that says the amount of men suffering DV is only 2/3 of the amount to women which is still a HUGE proportion so don't complain about my whinging which is perfectly valid
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article326826.ece
or http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1449
For instance I just booked my cousin's coach trip from London to Brighton and put him down to leave London at 4pm.
He says to me "isn't it better I leave on the 8pm coach?"
and I said "No because it means you'll be leaving here in total darkness, making your way through central London in total darkness and arriving back in Brighton in total darkness"
I'd rather he left here earlier and at least have it be daylight until he's safe on the coach, which then drops him off inside of his university grounds.
That's debatable. The given example doesn't support your opinion at all. There are too many factors in that scenario. People consciously quit cold turkey all of the time.
The subconscious controls most (if not all) of our passive actions. Instincts, memories, and dreams would be examples of subconsciously controlled actions.
It can be prevented?
Of course it can be prevented. Men can stop committing acts of great violence against women.
But if you think prevention means wearing hessian sacking and staying at home drinking tea then you are fucking idiot.
There's one way it can be prevented, and that is nothing to do with women, and everything to do with men.
Unless you mean that lads are so thick and defenceless that they can't be trusted to understand what no means? Obviously women are some sexual monster, preying on poor little boys and making them do things they wouldn't do. The sight of a bit of flesh and they're pinning someone down and performing a violent act on them before they can even say "the slut was asking for it".
What century is this, the 12th?
Of course, all this misses out the crucial point that rape is not about sexual gratification, it is about power, control and humiliation.
And it also misses out the crucial point that most rapists are known to their victims.
I seriously doubt Amnesty International were out to get this response.
The point is that a large amount of people think like this.
You only need to look at Violette's posts to see that people think that women who are sexually active should "prevent" rape by not being flirty and wearing sexy clothing. People like Violette say that rape is "preventable", but then say it is the woman's job to prevent it, not the man's.
That sounds awfully like the ancient Biblical belief that if a woman was raped in a village and wasn't discovered she obviously wanted it as she didn't scream loud enough.
I can't read the article you posted, I'm not a subscriber. The second one was irrelevant to anything.
You, and a couple of others, do start this on every thread about violence to women though. It's always "think about the men!"
London isnt a den of sin, its really quite safe.
I wouldnt be so sure their out to highlight the problems with peoples attitudes as they see them, the kind of responce theyve got strenghens their case and gets them more publicity.
This is a totaly different situation where if the women was consenting she would be killed anyway, so theres much more of a reason to claime rape than exists today.
Errrr...yes it does
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/images/ul/s/sexual_assault_summary_report_2.doc
I take it you've never been to London then - total darkness there ain't. It also gets dark not long after 4pm.
No it dosnt theres always an introduction and linking script that wasnt shown, the question were there but there could be much more to it than meets the eye.
If you notice it says research summary so its not showing the linking script, or the introduction or any definitions that might have been offered.
Why did amnasty comission the survey was it just to find information or was it to give them something to generate publicity with ?
By which time he'd already be at the Coach Station
I worked for ICM for a few years as a student and in my year out (drop out year) as a telephone interviewer and as a supervisor, there is always an introduction explaining what the surveys about, always some linking script this wasnt shown.
The only surveys I worked on where people wanted a genuine responce was product information from customers (which is never published) or voting intentions, (because theres a pretty big test)
All the other ones were biased towards a particular type of responce.
London doesnt get suddenly really dangerous after dark, and as Blagsta pointed out, it doesnt really get dark anyway.
And please, quote where I've been "extremely sexist" as I'm not in the least. Being a feminist isn't sexist.
You know, no matter how much you 'lead' somebody on... Your body is your own and i]nobody[/i] has the right to hurt you or touch you where you don't want.
And it's also telling that men are more likely to believe that than women.
Just because a girl gets off with a guy doesn't mean he's guaranteed sex though.
Unless you're to ban all women from flirting unless they're 100% deffo going to have sex that night then it's not something a woman can prevent.
Dosnt show linking scriptor introductions, they could have had a lenghly link stating about worries about promiscuity amungst young women, about a increase in sexualy transmitted diseases, could heve had an explanation that caried a quote form "a well known feminist" who said "young women are taking to many risks ad are too promiscus".
could have had previous questions that prompted the respondent to agree that young women are taking too many risks,
"do you agree or disagree that too many young women are engaje in sexual intercourse whilst drunk"
"do you think young women need to take more responcibility for their sexual behavure"
"Do you think there is too much of a permisive culture" after quoting sonme statistics of STD's
some people have said...... do you agree or disagree
Well then.
the older the person the more reposnsibility they put on the woman
the lower the SE class the higher the repsonsibility attributed
and it concludes about a quarter (between a third and a fifth) of people are bigots, sounds about right from experience
it's not that useful a survey still imo
(reading from blagsta's link)
it doesnt provide the full method..... it's more of a results thing than a whole experimental
and the possible answers using responsibility, a better idea would be to use the word blame to find out attiudes since "responsiblity != blame" do you not agree using the word blame would get a better idea of attitudes
theres plenty of scenarios when i can say someone is partially responsible (as a person is always partially responsible for their situation even if only on a absolutly near zero level) whilst saying "it's not their fault though" - most people in most polls provide on average, the most inbetween answer if they're unsure exactly how to judge
Something this awful comes out and then people try to partially lift the blame off rapists, or make it seem like it's the woman's fault... Every time you get statistics about the treatment of women, you get certain people getting defensive, saying "ohh but xxx happens to men" when the thread is about women, not men... Or they accuse this or that of sexism...
At the end of the day this is a woman's issue.
Furthermore, fuck people if they think I shouldn't be allowed to flirt... If rape is my punishment for not being a frigid housewife... Rape is more talked about and more reported than ever and now something this terrible is put to light, it' as if people don't care.
and at the end he turned round and said it can happen to men to then told me to shut up
but i thought well over 90% of actual rape cases the woman was the victim still? and some that involved men as the victims another man was still the attacker?
i also think its stupid when rapists try to defend themselves, there's no excuse.