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The acquittal does that.
The false reporting figures for rape are no higher than for any other crime.
Some are false. Of course they are.
sadly though, the advice stretches to not wearing sexy clothing and not going out and getting drunk. No condemnation of predatory men is ever mentioned.
I don't think it does.
It represents the views of a society in which any woman who dares to enjoy her sexuality is seen as a deviant, who gets what is coming to her. If she wears sexy clothes and gets drunk she obviously is saying yes, that is what the results of this survey says.
You are also confusing promiscuity, sex and rape. If a woman sleeps with 45 men, is she saying yes to the 46th? No? Then why mention the "promiscuous" society at all.
You are also saying that women shouldn't sleep around, because they're asking for it. Why else mention promiscuity- or does it not count when its men bonking around?
This survey also says that out of every jury, four jurors will believe a woman who was drunk was asking for it, and they will acquit a rapist. That is the most telling thing of all.
If you assume all men acquitted of rape are actually guilty, are you not just as bad as those assuming that the women are responsible for getting raped?
Subconsciously we are animals. We hunt what we are attracted to. Thankfully our subconscious doesn't directly control some of our actions.
I could imagine a situation where a belligerent, nonchalant lady dressing in sexually suggestive garments, and wearing parfume would get raped. I could also imagine someone logically stating "what did you expect?" and I could see where they're coming from. I don't agree with their possible opinions, but I could see how someone acting like the described would be more of a target than say a lady wearing a large overcoat and a cap. Still doesn't justify rape.
Go tapdance on a minefield, dipshit.
You are statistically most likely to get raped by a partner, parent or sibling.
Kentish: given the false reporting rate is no higher than elsewhere, the conviction rate indicates that rapists are getting away with it because of a lack of conclusive proof. If they are acquitted then their name is clear, but we need to remember that rapists are getting away with it because of attitudes spouted by those interviewed by Amnesty.
Rape is only ever believed if it is violent and by a stranger. Partners who rape very rarely get convicted; even occasional sexual partners who rape rarely get convicted. It is a huge problem, as a woman is far less likely to get raped by a stranger than by a partner or parent.
actually its people you know but aren't too close with as well
Wrong. Your unconscious controls all of your actions. It feeds only those thoughts it wants acting on into the conscious. This is why the conscious mind cannot give up smoking until the unconscious wants to, as an example.
No they aren't. Legally they might be, but people are fuckwits and do the whole "no smoke without fire" bit. They go in the same boat as acquitted paedo's for most people. Be nice to their face, but they aren't babysitting again, if you see what I mean.
dont get me wrong i think there's a lot of bigoted people out there however i think the point i was trying to say is that i dont trust how they conducted the survey - they could of asked the respondants in a way that could of been interpreted as "if a woman is wearing revealing clothes, would it make her more likely to get raped" - obviously the person who does the rape is entirely responsible for commiting the grotesque offence, however it doesnt detract from how the question is interpreted
i'd also suspect the amount of rapes on men that are reported are FAR less than what it is really, much less than 15% and this survey has done nothing about finding out the real level of offences commited to both sexes but only highlight certain dispicable attitudes in this country even if it's overblown them
those of certain strict beliefs might also think that the victim if they had a bad reputation that its their fault for getting a reputation even if its not their fault they got raped and as kermit pointed out, most rapes are commited by a known person, not a stranger in a club
If people can't stand by what they say, then tough shit.
Oh noes, it's the feminists! Run!
I appreciate what you are saying, the sexual assault of male victims isn't looked after enough, although the Met through Operation Sapphire are actually targeting help at male victims of sexual assault and rape. It has only been illegal since 1994, which is a horrible indictment on society.
The thing that irritates me about this is that this always happens. We talk about DV against women, and people moan "what about the men!". Rape is a predominantly female problem, estimates from US studiesurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/293884.stm]source[/url show that about 10-15% of all rapes are against men. Of course its a significant problem, but 80% is a bigger problem.
You really are a pleasent chap...
We are trying to open the board up to more users. However people with like yourself pouncing on every little typing error on incosistency in their argument its going to scare them off. Dont take everything so seriously ffs.
It wasn't a case of pouncing on a typo.
Violette was saying that she disagreed that women deserved to be raped, but that if they did anything sexual then they were asking for it. That opinion was quite rightly challenged by Blagsta, and Violette was invited to justify the way she was arguing.
Why mention the girl who "lied" if the poster's agenda was to say that women deserve it? Why use such charming terms as "dick teasing" if the agenda is not that women deserve it? That is what Violette was saying, essentially, and it was rightly challenged.
If she wasn't saying it she should have corrected herself. To me it read like she was doing the old trick of "my mate reckons x, but I don't, not at all :no:" to avoid a challenge on those views.
If someone doesn't have the guts to defend their opinions, what's the point in stating them?
This survey isn't about prevention of rape, it isn't about amount of rape - it's about attitudes towards rape after the fact. It's a survey specifically looking at the attitudes of people who will be on jurys deciding if a rape case is true or not.
Evidence?
Sorry... but for the first tme in my life I really have to be unpleasent on these boards....
You're a pig, justfor thinking that. What you're saying is that women deserve to be raped because they want equal pay, birth control and the vote. You have one cold heart and I hope for your sake that you're not ever vocal about such ideas around women, especially not me. Why are you so full of hate?
What is wrong with feminism?
hmm aside from DV which happens to 1 in 4 women and 1 in 6 men and is about equal (16.6% compared to 25%)
my own concern with this study is the assumption rape only happens to women, and is only done by weirdos in clubs and people in alleyways, and by the line of questioning which i cannot find anywhere it could be overstating the amount of people with bad attitudes
'cos he's ugly and his mum dresses him funny
Rape is a weapon of war, it's something that goes on within family units, down back alleys, in people's bedrooms... Most places and the worrying thing is hat women are being blamed for it. What they're saying is that they behaved in a cetain way and are getting paid back.... It's also demeaning for men if you look at it as mplying you guys have no control over yourself.
Which would be amazing if it wasn't utterly wrong.
81% of victims of domestic violence are women. Source.
You are spectacularly missing the point.
Read what JimV said again.
That is what the point is.
I hate the way this always happens. A charity commissions a report on how women rape victims are seen, and suddenly its some feminazi agenda which is discriminating against men.
Most rape victims are women. The report was dealing with attitudes to rape. What is your problem with this?
The same attitudes to women will apply to men who get raped- after all, only gay men get raped.
I do agree though that they should be prepared with the risk of a potential rapist spotting you if they are dressed unappropriately and/or drunk.
The real question is to where to set the bar between 'serves you right' and 'not serves you right'. There are a lot of criminals out there that really deserve being convicted.
Define "dressed inappropriately".
This also makes the error of assuming that rape is sexual. It isn't, it's about power and its about control.
Any skirt makes a woman a target for a rapist, simply because its easier to rape that way. The most favoured time for rape is actually early evening, rather than later. No online source, but I read it in Glamour about two months ago.
The bar between serving women right and not?
I hope you don't mean that.
The bar whether the criminal is to be convicted or not.
This doesn't mean that women who behave like that are asking for it, deserve it or should even expect it. It means that they should be aware that their actions 'can' influence the risk to themsleves.
I was once mugged whilst walking through London on my own one night. Now there's a lot of people that would say I'm partly responsible for ignoring the obvious risks and I can see their point.
I think the point is that people who misunderstand what rape is all about would say that it's more like walking around London at night wearing £20 notes as clothes and expecting nothing to happen.
Rape is about power, not sex.
i read an article that shows it's 1 in 6 for men and 1 in for 4 for women, was in the independent 3 or 4 weeks ago, and that it's decreasing vs women and iincreasing vs men (though it's partially attributed to more gay men living together)
and i read what jimV said before, i was just questioning the reports methods and its line of questioning etc not the attiudes, as i have constantly said the rapists are to blame and theres a lot of bigots who think if a woman sleeps around its her fault if she gets raped however some people don't pay enough attention to the risks of things, like accepting taxi rides off unlicensed cabbies, or accepting open drinks off people
and i know rape is about power not sex in most cases, thats why it's normally friends/family/collegues, the opportunist ones i'd presume get caught more often
and moonrat i have been the victim of racism before so i know how it feels, there' evil and/or stupid bigotted scum who aren't just white and male out there, i've read some extremely sexist comments from you before, which says it all
Oh you are being such a fool.
Like it or not rape is primarily an act of violence carried out by men against women. So is domestic violence.
I am actually fed up of your bleatings that its "sexism" to point this out. All rape victims should be treated equally, but women are far more likely to be raped or attacked, so the focus is on them.
It isn't sexist to point out that nearly 90% of all incidents of DV are carried out by men.
It really does piss me off this attitude that its "sexist" to point out that women have a much shitter time of it than men.
MoonRat is a lot of things, but she isn't sexist. But then anyone who tries to claim that women are equal is labelled as sexist by fools.
I can understand what you're saying - i'm not debating that fact. But were you to walk up to a rather cliquey group and have such vile, obviously completely false facts immediately imposed on you after the first thing you said, would you really go back there again?
I just feel that if people on this forum wish to have more members from other forums come have a stab at the whole debating lark, they shouldn't be welcomed with such lovely greetings as "So you're saying that of women behave in a certain way then they should expect to be raped".
You seem to have a slight talent in analysing posts and summing them up in as radical a rhetorical question as possible.