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Communism STRONGLY oppose any form of Religion. At all.
Now tell me it's a Jewish plot.
Course the proles in the book are in much better shape than the party members.
Actually shows nothing more than that many Brits harboured anti-semitic feelings. With the benefit of nearly ninety years of research we can see that these statements are complete and utter bollocks.
In keeping with valid debate practices then, NQA, do be so kind as to validate your assertion of fact with some of this "research" debunking these claims. Your mere say so doesnt carry much authority I'm afraid.
Not surprising, though, to see you play the "anti-semitism" card once again. It is after all such a popular means of avoiding any serious examination of the historic machinations of Zionist ideologues.
Fine ....
"The Bolshevics have never been funded by Jewish organisations. There is no conspiracy! Honest!"
Leading Bolshevic, 1928
The guy who was quoted before me is right ... there's no Jewish conspiracy!
Other leading Bolshevic from his book 'There was no Jewish Conspiracy by Leading Bolshevic' (1930 Penguin Press)
I was sadly mistaken about the whole Jewish conspiracy thing. Sorry.
Winston Churchill
There you are, its about as well backed up as your's and just as meaningfull!
Strawman: A weak or sham argument posited to be easily refuted and thus derail legitimate discussion of a subject.
I am also a bit surprised at you Jim for apparently catering to the all too popular bandwagon notion that discussion of the historic complicities of Zionists (adherents to a political ideology) equates to "Jewish" conspiracy. Many Jews oppose Zionism and Zionists for the actual 19th century colonialist, racist and apartheid ideologues they are.
Given that the founders and most ardent perpetuators of the ideology were and are predominantly atheists and secularists, the attempts to equate all criticism thereof with religious persecution is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
You might as well argue that all criticism of Nazism is hatred toward all Germans or that similar criticism of Apartheid is an attack on all caucasians. Just doesnt wash I'm afraid.
Regardless of his point simply quoting people of the time is only evidence of what they believe not what actually happened. That gives no factual basis to any Jewish conspiracy.
I could quote McCarthy endlessly but it wouldn't prove an extensive Red conspiracy operating in North America in the 50s.
ETA - started my post before your reply was up
Well if all the factual basis is quoting leading figures of the time and area then its not wholly unrelevant. As far as I can see that's the only evidence he's provided so I don't see how you can claim its so dissimilar to leading white supremacists in Alabama claiming the MIA was having its strings pulled by Jewish socialists from New York?
Yes and of course Franco didn't overthrow a democratic government did he? They didn't exaggerate the murder of priests for propaganda purposes did they?
P.S.
I'd get a new historian if I were you, yours is fucked.
Franco overthrew a democratic republic. You're also getting mixed up between Stalinisism and communism.
Reading some history might help, this is a good one
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0304358401/qid=1132574491/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_11_1/203-1117780-6573511
Well there's certainly people who criticise Israel such FTP and Aladdin who I'm pretty sure are not anti-semites.
However if you back up your criticisms of Israel with holocaust denial and claims of a zionist conspiracy I don't think its unreasonable for people to suspect you are an anti-semite.
As for Zionism, it remains a political ideology not a synonym for Judaism and is indeed eschewed by many Jews and Jewish organisations. To thus equate any comment on its pernicious and underhanded complicities in shaping world events (which, due to long running, incremental insinuation of adherents into key positions in international finance, industry and government, it has indeed succeeded in doing over the past century) with "anti-semitism" remains wholly disingenuous.
Zionism is a secular and wholly evil, racist 19th century colonialist ideology which deserves to be condemned and buried along with its SA Apartheid counterpart in the graveyard of history. Many upstanding Jews concur.
You can add me to that list as well.
My, my aren't we paranoid. I was actually talking about Lawrence, but read his posts and see if you disagree.
Actually Ive not seen Lawrence denying the holocaust, just questioning the numbers of victims. Not something I consider to be worth debating. My concern remains the extent to which Zionists carry on the very principles of group superiority and exception from accountability for their actions which made the holocaust itself possible.
Does your research refute the claims of respected journalists and intelligence officers both US and Britsh who were actually present during the Russian revolution?
Does your "revisionist research" now show us that five out of the six most influential leaders of the Bolshevik revolution were not Jewish?
Or that out of 384 commisars, 300 were not Jewish?
Here are the six most prominent Bolsheviks of the Russian revolution -
Lenin - At least one-quarter Jewish, spoke Yiddish in his home and was married to a Jewess
Trotsky - Jewish, Real name Lev Bronstein
Zinoviev - Jewish, Real name Hirsch Apfelbaum
Kamenov - Jewish, Real name Rosenfeld
Sverdlov - Jewish
Lunacharsky - Gentile
This is just the tip of the iceberg believe me, and ive not even touched on Bela Kuhn and company who brought Hungary to its knees briefly during 1919,
I must also add that the two main sybols of Bolshevism are overtly Jewish, the clenched fist symbol was an Ancient Jewish symbol of defiance going back to the days of Rome?
And the Red star is also known as the Morning star or Esther's Star another undeniably Jewish symbol.
So a shared symbol means that it is instantly that? How do you address Communist hatred of Religion? Indeed, you seem also under hte impression that Religion is inherited from parents. How rare. So, I should by birth be Christian. I can assure you I am not. People choose religion, it does not choose them in any way. Religion is a free choice. To be a Communist, you must pretty much reject religion. It is a form of control and oppression in any form, and should, as such, be abolished.
If anything is a Jewish plot, it's the Western Media I tell you! Or the USA... and if Communism is so Jewish, what the hell is with this chap? Albert Mashakov, at hte top... he's a right nut.
I know leftists who don't speak very rosily about "proles" either. Socialism is a means of improving people.
If you read my post properly you will find that i stated that Orwell had "fallen out with the British Lunatic left", meaning he was at one time friendly but not anymore -it is at this stage that he wrote his two classics Animal farm and 1984 .
Two books that Orwell's long time leftist Jewish publisher Harold Laski refused to print.