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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
It seems official now that Anthony Walker was killed only for being black, and was called a ****** by the vile things who murdered him.

Yesterday I witnessed a violent interchange outside my local corner shop when a shoplifter was confronted and then proceeded to hurl racial abuse at the Indian shopkeeper, calling him a "black bastard" (:rolleyes: ). This is genuinely the first incident I have witnessed first hand and I was really disappointed by it.

Why are people racist?
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Kentish wrote:
    Why are people racist?

    If noyl we knew that! I guess people fear what they do not understand... or look for a convienient scapegoat to societies problems?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i think that the excuse that people are racist because they fear what they dont understand is a lame cop-out. i mean i totally agree with the scapegoat issue...but fearing the unknown...when they are just a different colour or religion...i mean they are still human beings right? well how different are they...not very! Racism...has existed since the dawn of human civilisation and will most likely continue to exist. it is like war...it will be with us forever!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    First ever racist violence i saw was at work (i work in a nightclub) it was just silly. So pointless. People band around (so called) racist terms so easily, but few really are. I guess the only reason people are racist is because it's a difference it's easy to pick up on.
    For example, if a football hooligan walked past a guy outside whatever stadium wearing a shirt, then he'd carry on walking. If the same guy was wearing a football shirt, he may well be attacked.
    It's just a way of determining differences. Stupid and pathetic yeah, but i think that's all it really is in the end.

    (Cultural differences may come into it further down the line, for example in the realms of the BNP, but for the average thug, i think not)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You could argue that people are rascist because of the way they are brought up. People are not born inherently rascist, they must get that influence from somewhere, most likely the parents or immediate family or perhaps friends. Of course, stories about gypsies or constant reporting on 'terror' in certain tabloids doesnt help either.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Well, i'veh eard hte not understnading issue before, becuase people don't understand their differnet race or religion, way of life, etc. I don't beleive it, I think, like for the BNP, they are a convienient capegoat. Like the Jews in Germany when Hitler rose - just easy to blame the Jews for everything. Bad Economy? Jews. You have no jobs? Jews. Treay of Versaille? Jews. Communists threatening your Business? Jews. Chavs? Jews.

    And so on. It's easy to blame someone rahter than bother about what is REALLY happening.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't know why people are racist. I tend to think that people are angry at the world, and need a scapegoat, and people that are different are good scapegoats. It's easier to blame the black kid who talks funny and eats funny food for all your ills rather than yourself.

    I don't see much blatant racism in this city, but things do annoy me. Not so long ago I was on the bus home. A young Asian mother got on with her buggy, and tried to put it in the buggy bay, but the two middle-aged women sat there wouldn't move. She had to sit behind, so obviously the two bats started clucking about how "they" don't care about their kids. If I'd been any closer I'd have belted the stupid cunts.

    I actually think racism is a mental illness. And it should be treated with ECT.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah, I always witness mild raciest incidents on the bus or whatever. Im quite observant, and once I was sitting on the train once and there was a couple on the train hugging, whispering and kissing, (the woman was black and the man was white). And there was a white man sitting down oppersite me and the look on his face....it was like, pure hatred and dissapointment. I cant describe it. He looked like he was going to be sick or something.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    I actually think racism is a mental illness. And it should be treated with ECT.
    Not sure that would work. But I'd quite happily watch the racist I saw getting some sort of of eletrocution "treatment". i.e. death.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Kermit wrote:
    I actually think racism is a mental illness. And it should be treated with ECT.

    Or a bullet. Or... instead of testing things on Animals... use these kinds of folks.

    I just don't know. It's amazing how many seemingly nice people otherwise, or supposed Good, uopper class members of society are racist.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    What about his human rights? Why has he not been offered counselling?

    Because, he is dead?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    Not sure that would work.

    25kV AC would work quite well, I think.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Poor education is why people are racist.

    Back home I went in to this chip shop and somebody who looked like such a sweet old man came in and asked how much a bag of chips is. When he heard it was £1 he started shouting at the Indian owner "I'll make my own fucking chips you black bastard!" and stormed out. Takeaways owned by black or Asian people in my town get smashed up a lot.

    After the London bombings apparently a bunch of men went on to the university campus to attack 'Muslims' who were actually Spanish and French students. We've had race riots before.

    In school my friend got her head slammed in a toilet door because she's Chinese.

    People say minority groups get it better than white hetersexual men but I really don't think so, from the raw hatred I've experienced... More education is needed for both LGBT and racial awareness.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As someone else has said I think few people are actually truly racist. While a lot of people are sadly guilty of making racist remarks I don’t think there are many people that believe in the superiority of their race and inferiority of other races. I also don’t think many people support discrimination based upon race. There’s a big difference between people who believe in these things and people mouthing off down the pub. I think homophobia is different in that it can be justified by religion, I don’t really think racism can. While racism is simply illogical people can rationalise homophobia through religion as many Muslims and fundamentalist Christians do. I think racism mostly roots from people picking up an easy difference as someone else suggested. Whilst racism is widely deemed completely unacceptable in society I don't think the same applies to homophobia so more needs to be done to address that as well as racism.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Poor education is why people are racist.
    That's all very well when we are talking abstractly about racist views. But why do people think it is acceptable to act so disrespectfully to others?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you want to eradicate racism then the logical step has be to eradicate "Multi-racialism"?

    Racial conflicts arise when Ethnic groups are competing for the same resources in the same space, this phenomena can be witnessed from the Balkans to Birmingham, and no amount of liberal posturing can or will eradicate it, as globalisation expands, this problem will just continue to escalate.

    You can also debate the actual existence of different races all night long and be as clever as you like, the problem will still be there tomorrow just as it has since the very dawn of mankind.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    It seems official now that Anthony Walker was killed only for being black, and was called a ****** by the vile things who murdered him.

    Yesterday I witnessed a violent interchange outside my local corner shop when a shoplifter was confronted and then proceeded to hurl racial abuse at the Indian shopkeeper, calling him a "black bastard" (:rolleyes: ). This is genuinely the first incident I have witnessed first hand and I was really disappointed by it.

    Why are people racist?

    My friend was beaten to a pulp being called a 'dirty gora' by some asian lads. And I have witnessed racist remarks from white towards ethinic minorities. Racism is horrible but it exists, and I do believe in some parts of the UK, e.g Slough, Bradford, some parts of Birmingham, multicultural Britain doesn't work.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh look, a right wing board invasion. What a shocker.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lawrence wrote:
    If you want to eradicate racism then the logical step has be to eradicate "Multi-racialism"?
    No, it'd rather be to eradicate litttle Nazi boys and racist subhuman scum.

    So are you kids from Stormfront or soccerhooligan?

    *yawn*
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    No, it'd rather be to eradicate litttle Nazi boys and racist subhuman scum.

    So are you kids from Stormfront or soccerhooligan?

    *yawn*

    There's more than one? I thought it was just 'Lawrence'? They'll be gone by Monday morning anyway hopefully.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    It seems official now that Anthony Walker was killed only for being black, and was called a ****** by the vile things who murdered him.

    Yesterday I witnessed a violent interchange outside my local corner shop when a shoplifter was confronted and then proceeded to hurl racial abuse at the Indian shopkeeper, calling him a "black bastard" (:rolleyes: ). This is genuinely the first incident I have witnessed first hand and I was really disappointed by it.

    Why are people racist?

    But you have have witnessed people being called Fat bastard, Cockney Wanker, Geordie Twat, Skinny Cow so I guess what im saying is soon as people mention Racism we all immediately think *Colour* and you all seem to forget that people get called lots of nasty names and its ok to do that but soon as someone brings colour into it then we are all up in arms about it.
    Now personally I find the examples given above just as bad as colour of skin remarks but how come is it ok for people to use the above and be allowed to get away with it ? What it must be like for someone overweight to be called names on a daily basis is as bad as someone getting called names about their skin colour.
    Im not racist for people who dont know me, im just trying to add other sides to this. I just feel that people judge far too quickly and never think about the crap and shit other people get be it about their weight/hair colour/height/place of birth etc and they have to just grin and bear it, but if someone said black bastard then they would be put in their place straight away..........so why the difference and why is it ok to call someone a fat bastard but not a black bastard, surely they are both wrong ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But it isn't okay to call someone a fat bastard is it? Just because people do it and others stand by and let people do it doesn't mean it's alright.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote:
    But it isn't okay to call someone a fat bastard is it? Just because people do it and others stand by and let people do it doesn't mean it's alright.

    It's not illegal though.

    Which is a big issue IMHO.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    It's not illegal though.

    Which is a big issue IMHO.

    Well the thing about that is most people become fat from eatng too much. You can't change your race/ original nationality/original religion or whatever.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jim V wrote:
    But it isn't okay to call someone a fat bastard is it? Just because people do it and others stand by and let people do it doesn't mean it's alright.

    But they are both verbal crap so why is it worse to call someone names about their colour compared to lets say hair colour, or the weight of someone and why do people stand by and let people do it ?

    You just have to take some of the shit people get because they have ginger hair, or the Irish jokes or about the Scots people being tight gits..........surely they are all equally as bad. I think im trying to say sometimes the 'racism' thing gets taken too far and people do play on it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    Well the thing about that is most people become fat from eatng too much.

    What about the people with medical conditions, they cant help it. Girls who do diet after diet and cant lose weight ?
    I can eat anything and dont put weight on, some people just have to look at a cake and they put a stone on, so really what you said isnt quite right.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well let's see...

    I think it stems from a fact that humans are territorial (thus most wars are related to territorial issues). One will tend to look after, in order, oneself, one's family, one's extended family, one's race and nationality then finally others.

    Now I would guess that most racism is of a fascist nature. Many of those who would be racist against Muslems in this country might also oppose the war in Iraq because of the notion that Iraq is "their country".

    Therefore there are different levels, in a sense. Most would not harm Asians here there are many who would still think of them as foreigners (even if they are British nationals) with some feeling that they don't quite "belong" here.

    In some ways I fall into the category of British alien because I'm Jewish so I somehow have a feeling that my real homeland is Israel. Of course, there are many on the planet who do not feel that Israel belongs to the Jews and that we don't really belong anywhere on the planet.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BeckyBoo wrote:
    What about the people with medical conditions, they cant help it. Girls who do diet after diet and cant lose weight ?
    I can eat anything and dont put weight on, some people just have to look at a cake and they put a stone on, so really what you said isnt quite right.

    I suppose you're right, I think it's the fact that we're told continuilly that being even remotely over weight means there's something wrong with you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well let's see...

    I think it stems from a fact that humans are territorial (thus most wars are related to territorial issues). One will tend to look after, in order, oneself, one's family, one's extended family, one's race and nationality then finally others.

    Now I would guess that most racism is of a fascist nature. Many of those who would be racist against Muslems in this country might also oppose the war in Iraq because of the notion that Iraq is "their country".

    Therefore there are different levels, in a sense. Most would not harm Asians here there are many who would still think of them as foreigners (even if they are British nationals) with some feeling that they don't quite "belong" here.

    In some ways I fall into the category of British alien because I'm Jewish so I somehow have a feeling that my real homeland is Israel. Of course, there are many on the planet who do not feel that Israel belongs to the Jews and that we don't really belong anywhere on the planet.

    Racism and fascism are two different things altogether. Most of my mates who said the N word don't even know what fascism is so I don't think racism stems directly from fascist beliefs at all.

    Why do you feel like an alien in Britain, we're all humans living on one planet.

    Oops sorry, I forgot, you're Jewish you don't belong anywhere, only joking :p
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