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Pills and depression
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I started doing pills in Feb again and my last one was about a month ago...it was about a month ago that my parents split up n during the first two weeks of the Easter break (i am a uni student) I have never felt so depressed in my life...I went to the doctor about the depression and he referred me to a counsellor...ne way, is the depletion of serotonin by MDMA a definite cause of this depression...I dont feel like I should have been this depressed about a family break up at this age (19)
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I wanna take some MDMA in a month of so (i.e the powder - I know a good source for this) would this be OK? I feel like I am fighting this depression at the minute n the way I am doing that is by having a good time.
The last few times Ive done pills they have been so shit that I dont think its worth the bother any more...they seem to be so loaded with ketamine nowadays that I cant even move on them...yet at the same time, what MDMA is in them seems to make me happy...argh.. :banghead: I know I shouldn't even tempt myself into doing them again but I know its gonna happen
You may find that the bouts of depression are worse during the middle of the week - known as the 'Midweek Blues'. This is because the effect of the depletion of serotonin in the brain usually peaks around this time. After that, the brain starts to make more, and the blues tend to subside.
As a rule, it's never a good idea to take illegal (eg unprescribed) drugs if you're not in a stable state of mind. The aftereffects of MDMA/pills (the depression/spaceyness) can be felt for months after. Give yourself a rest in between sessions - ideally a month or two.
This is because pills can be loaded with anything, not just ket. Variants of MDMA, speed, and other crap may be used to 'fill out' the pill. It's these unknown chemicals that pose an added risk.
Overall, taking drugs whilst in an unhealthy mental state is asking for trouble.
Incidentally, if you must take MDMA, the powder is easily cut with other stuff. Try and get crystal - harder for dealers to mix in crap and get away with it.
if you're thinking negatively along the lines of 'these pills are shit' or 'im not the mood' or whatever then you'll most likely get a shit buzz
and then all those other mentioned factors....
id definatly go for the pure mdma opposed to pills if you are going to take it again
Substances like MDMA merely release feelings and sensations which are usually locked in check by the brain.
I really don't want to come across as a pedant, but still...
I see what you're saying though. The frame of mind does have a bearing, but at the end of the day, if you've got crap pills, you've got crap pills. And my personal definition of a pill is crap.
Stick with MDMA crystal: it kicks the shit out of any other drug.
i specifically put that there because i knew someone would come off with a reply like that .. well done
State of mind is far more relevant when taking classically psychadelic substances, not pills and the like.
even with good gear if you arent thinking the right way you'll end up with a shittier buzz
the reason i said this is because it is totally relevant to the orignal post
fair enough you know your stuff about ecstasy ... doesn't mean you have to look for something in every post to pick out in some sort of attempt at showing your "superior knowledge" ...
All I try and post are facts, that's all. I'm a great believer in information and education over the scare tactics and bullshit that the media and government put out. That's why it may seem like I tend to jump on people who make statements which aren't correct: just trying to set the record straight.
That's all.
but you still fail to realise i didn't post any false information .. it wasn't incorrect
i also thought that someone would take the 'its all mental' part as meaning that was the only thing that mattered ... so I added in that line ... how many times do i need to point this out ?
Sorry. Born pedant.
ANYWAY: I've been out tonight, and me head's squirly, so I'm off to bed. Can't be having with message board debates at 3:20am.
:no: State of mind is crucial because it is indicative of the Chemical and biological states already at play before the substane is introduced.
Should also state that the euphoric and empathic effects of E (those derrived from the serotonin agonist) will not work if you are taking SSRI antidepressants such as Fluoxitine Hydrochloride (Prozac).
I've tried to supress the effects of MDMA before (one situation involving bouncers and police), and it's nigh on impossible. You may think you've done it, but the chemical is still doing the work.
so did i. mental state can be indicative of chemical action within the brain, thus dictating the base conditions under which the chemical will be introduced. The parameters within which it is working will be a variational factor in the effects produced, in the immediate sense.
MAOI effects are less subtle than those of SSRIs as they merely prevent reuptake of serotonin rather than regulate uptake selectively.
Taking a serotonin agonist such as MDMA/E with MAOI antidepressants can likely result in a serious condition called serotonin syndrome where there is an excess of serotonin being produced that the brain simply cannot cope with. Serotonin syndrome is a very serious condition that can be fatal.
Less is more :thumb:
Oh my dear boy come back and tell me that when you havent imbibed half a tank of buckfast
My personal favourite combination is MDMA crystal and Base, so I know what you mean.
point taken...
I can see that but god, how hyper do you wanna be?
This is an intersting point though, the tailoring of drug combinations to fit with social situations and different sensory experiences, music for example.
I must confess i have a guilty desire to get on some good quality MDMA and spend the night in the 'Jenkins Lane 88-90 Reunion' arena @ Raindance. I've been listening to old Acid house tunes (i've got one very good Colin Favor set from the Hacienda 1989) and i've been reading 'Altered State' by Matthew Collin .
I just fancy the idea of having that warm empathic aura type feeling without over the top stimulation, the vibe of the sets just seems alot more rhythmic and sensual rather than the frantic hardcore im used to. Floating around with that wonderful empathic feeling, but like not too fast...sounds nice
...that said after i saw 'The Football Factory' i also wanted to go and hit people, i just seem to be sooo impressionable...
I remember when I first overdid it on on pills, and was looking to try something slightly different whilst not doing so many. I found that a few dabs of speed and a single pill was the most amazing combo, and kept me bouncing all night
Paranoia is main mood-related problem with E, although I believe a very low dosage can also be a factor...i.e. you're "high" to an extent, but not enough to completely lift your mood, which leaves a nice little niche for Mister Paranoia.