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people run marathons for charity fundraising, all these people are not being "effective" and are "advertising" their support. So using this argument charity marathon runners are attention-seeking morons too.
My objection to Livestrong is that the money goes straight over the pond when I'd rather people sent the money to their local hospice. That would make a difference to people dying of cancer and sending money to Cancer Research UK would help support research into cancer treatments.
Cancer Research UK - donate here
St Christopher's Hospice - donate here
I'm not quite sure why this argument keeps popping up and people react so fiercly to it. Yes, a whole load of people wear the bands purely out of fashion, but to be quite honest who's to say that any of those people would have given anything to the charities in the first place anyway? So the charity has not "lost out" there, so to speak, it just hasn't gained. (Though, at some point, someone has bought the bands so they have gained a little unless there are fake bands being made)
So I dunno. Is it defeating the point to wear one out of fashion? Yes, it is. Is that necessarily "wrong". No, not really, because there's no reason why that affects in any way the amount that those same people otherwise give to a charity.
Yes, the charity gains either way but charity cannot survive on fads, so if people were to genuinely support these charities they wouldn't need a wrist band as a reward for doing so.
Poppies are totally different.
It's all much of a muchness really. It's annoying, but say for every ten bands one is sold to a genuine person who would otherwise have given nothing then that is somewhat better than nothing.
Why?
..... and what about the ribbons?
Surely the theory behind them all is the same. As for the bandwagon bit ... we started out with red ribbons for AIDS, then pink ones for Breast Cancer, and then any random ribbon that people want to bring out for whatever reason they fancy at the time.
Look at the BHF hearts that they used to bring out at Valentine's Day. They released a different one every year to ensure that people would want that years.
It's an old strategy that's just caught on slightly better this time.
How is your wrist band different from the Nike one, and how does it help to deracistify the racists you meet?
I dont think my bracelet de-racifies people (good word btw) it is /neutral/poor at de-racification!
It might show people that I am not a racist though, without me having to start a conversation about it, or it could even serve as a conversation starter in which I may change someones opinion - you never know.
st. gemma's hospice - donate here
i see what you're saying, but that's a bit different too. most charities work by aiming for maximum profit at minimum expenditure. so things like marathons are great, because it doesn't cost them anything for someone to run a marathon, and they get 100% of the profit. charity shops are also good, cause people donate things to sell, and volunteer their time, so their overheads are reduced. the bands aren't as good, cause they have to pay out to see a return on their cash, and a lot of the smaller, desperately needy charities (probably like CHUF) just can't afford to.
It's the same principle really.
You've changed your tune. One minute you sound like your saying that their a bad thing and everyone who wears them do it for fashion, and your like, oh their ok blah blah blah. Make up your fucking mind for Christ sake.
I don't think this is the case anymore to be honest. There are so many of the wristbands around for various things and stuff that I don't even know which colours are for what.
I work in a shop, with lots of people coming and going and every other person has a wristband on them. The only one that I know is the racism one. I don't know what the yellow one, or the pink one or any other ones are for.
So how is this raising awareness? It isn't IMO because there are so many different ones around that I can't actually tell which charities they are for now.
If only people were this enthused by the pensions crisis... :chin:
I know. And Kiezo isn't even here yet ...
Don't tempt fate...
where did i say that?
i asked you, on several occasions, why you needed the world to know, and if it mattered if no one knew you were giving. you still haven't answered.
if you stopped being so rude and answered my questions instead of just insulting me cause i don't agree, we might be able to have an adult conversation about it.
It seems to me that your very happy to 'advertise' the fact that you give to charity without leeting the world know.
Hypocritical?
where?
i think i've mentioned it on a couple of threads specifically about charities. i don't think that's quite the same, do you? is it something i should never mention ever?