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Employers don't employ people on the basis of whether they deserve it - they employ people who they think can do a good job. I told them I could and then I proved it.
Some of you are complaining this isn't fair - and you're right it isn't. So wisen up and don't be so naive.
The employer basis the decision on a couple of things - your cv, and how you do in the interview. Now, someone who lies on the CV then has the opportunity to interview that, in truth, they should not have. It sounds as if you were then fortunate enough to have an interviewer who did not test you too hard, so be it, you got the job.
That doesn't mean you deserved it, because, essentially, if you lied to get the interview in the first place then you deserved nothing. Maybe you can do the job now, maybe you do a shit job, who knows? Maybe someone with the right qualifications or experience would do the job a lot better than you. Noone will ever know of course because you have it, they are just possibilites.
It's not being naive to say that you shouldn't alter your CV to pretend that you're something you are not. You are being fraudulent. It seems for you that that is acceptable, I for one would say that it isn't, but then I would also like to think that I would employ the best person for a job.
I'd just have to hope that when I give the interview that "the best person" doesn't get missed from my selection of candidates because someone else lied about their skills.
But that goes back to what I have said from the start. You're saying it from the point of view that someone is entitled to lie because they think that they are the best person. But, whilst that person is lieing, someone else with the real skills might have to be missed from the interview level.
Then what has happened is that the piece of paper has barred the best candidate, but it's barred the one who really was the best candidate, and not the one who is lying to be the best of those that get to interview.
Of course it wasn't, if they can do the job then they have been a reasonable candidate. (Unless the qualification is one that is needed for eg a doctor, teacher or other responsible position that passes on the knowledge, that's a whole different kettle of fish.)
However, that doesn't excuse the fact that, by lying, they could easily be stopping a better person from getting the job.
That's (some of) the problem with it.
Because at the start of the process all you have is the bits of paper. Clearly you are going to pick the most suitable looking bits of paper. If one of them is a tissue of lies then that lieing person can nudge out someone who really does have the knowledge / skills rather than just being a blagger.
Of course, they then might get found out at interview, which has then wasted everyone's time, or they could go on to do an average job, most probably a poorer job than the person that really did have the quals would have done.
Ok.
I didn't even have an interview as such. My mate who was already an Engineer recomended my for the job and then told me what my boss would want to hear. My 'interview' took place on the phone.
How the fuck can you tell that? If I didn't do a good job I'd be out of one - simple as. And I certainly wouldn't have got my £400 bonus last month.
At the end of the day I look out for myself.
If a perfect job opertunity arose, you knew you could do it depsite not having the same experience as another applicant would you not be prepared to lie a little? You'd be a mug if you didn't.
If someone who lies on their CV can't do the job, then they'll be sacked during their probationary period. If they can, then fair play to them. Doesn't make any of the other applicants with the pieces of paper any better ;o
I'm going to have to side with those who would not accept liars as employees.
Exactly.
Sorry mate but the world of work is dog-eat-dog and we need to do whatever we can go ensure employment. Don't blame people like me, blame the employers for establishing unrealistic and unreasonable standards.
It's not about going for the job you think you're 'entitiled' to, it's about going for what you want. And the only thing I have to justify is whether or not I can do the job, and I think I have proved I can.
What matters to me is that I got the job. Selfish? Yes!
..but as I said your a mug if you can let an opertunity go like that.
If I can learn and do the job without the right qualifications, then it's a bloody good thing I didn't waste my time at Uni.
When you put it that way, yes you're right.
But when you take it out of the context of morals and into the context of real life, anybody who says they'd rather apply for a £40,000 a year job that they knew they had enough qualifications to get yet they wouldn't enjoy over a £100,000 a year job they knew they could get with a bit of tweaking is either a liar, or completely fucking stupid.
Oh, and you're a liar too. As is just about everybody in existance.
again, it depends what you mean by tweaking.
exaggerating experience is one thing. i mean, if you worked in a shop, and you occasionally had to cash up, i wouldn't have a problem with someone saying they had 'financial responsibility within the company'. making menial tasks sound important and exciting is the whole point of a CV.
but if you never worked in the shop in the first place, and you say you were the assistant manager, you're out of order. if you don't have your maths and english GCSE, and you pretend you have Bs to get a job, you're out of order. whether you can do the job or not is beside the point. i think i could teach english, but i'm not about to pretend i have a PGCE and 3 years experience in order to get it. if that makes me an idiot, then i'm happy being an idiot.
Aye. I've not personally lied on a CV, but i think bending the truth slightly - fo instance, i never did any car audio fits at Halfords, but saying i had experience working with car audio wouldn't be bad - seeing as i did sell the things and arrange the fits
well that's just common sense
you did have experience working with car audio. you were working, the car audio was there, you sold some. that's not lying at all, that's creatively telling the truth. same way my 2 week filing job becomes 'organisation and administrative experience within a multinational company'. if you had said, 'i have experience fitting car audio', then that would be lying.
you'd be amazed how good i made mr. k's halfords experience sound, and it was all the truth. just cleverly worded, with a few buzzwords chucked in to excite them.
But the fact of the matter is YOU DIDN'T GET THAT RESULT and you are not qualified to judge what tou should have got, that what exam boards are for. You think you should have got it and saying you did is dishonest to everyone including youself. Saying you are going to get it when you have the chance is pure crap. We both know you have no intention, your next excuse would be that you've made it this far with out it why get it now? Whats the wheather like in cloud cookoo land?
At this point i would also like to point out that lying about this kind of thing is illegal as is not declaring a criminal conviction.
Also, on the topic of lying on a CV-is leaving something out bad, or not? It isn't crucial, only my AS level Sociology grade, but with a D grade I don't feel particularly putting it on there to taint the rest of my A, B and C grades
It depends on the University and the course you're doing, I got into University with a D in maths (GCSE) and a D in science (though I had good english grades).
I wouldn't have a problem with the D in AS Sociology, a D is still a pass. IMO, it's not going to taint your other grades one bit. It will just show that you have studied one more subject and while you perhaps didn't get an A or something, you still got a grade.
I was filling in an application form the other day and with regards to my GCSE results, I like to put the highest grades first. Though sometimes I know they like them to be in alphabetical order.
Downright lying, such as inventing qualifications, is wrong. Small-scale lying, such as bigging up experience, or bending the facts of experience (I got this job on "office admin" experience that never fully happened) is, whilst not being acceptable, is de rigeur.
If you don't build up your experience then you are a fool. If you don't make up little white lies in your CV then you are a fool. If you make up qualifications or serious experience then you deserve to have your legs broken.
But someone lying isn't "preventing" anyone else from getting the job. If you have the experience and qualifications they asked for, you will be interviewed. If you don't, you won't. So to extend this, the only thing that is happening is lying under-qualified people are stopping truthful under-qualified people from getting a job, a job that they wouldn't get anyway.
Not just "wrong" but fraud too. Instant dismissal is the least of your worries.