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I think it's to do with killing being evil, and stuff.
True, but is surely unfair and not an accurate way of separating "the wheat from the chaff"
The former, thanks
But still, it shows that the qualification 'required' simply aren't required.
I can be fairly certain I'm doing a good job - our company has monthly appraisals based on performance and targets - I would not have lasted more than 6 months had my work not been satisfactory.
I still disagree it's bad idea unless you are reckless with it. Putting down you have a degree in IT would only work if you have good knowledge on it to bluff you out of any situations where you're tested on it. However I've been working with computers for more than 10 years and I'm confident my experience is more than enough to aid me - the facts speak for themselves. I do a good job.
If the employer didn't put any qualification requirements on their list then they would have all sorts of people applying and that means that you have a massive job even just selecting who to interview. A line has to be drawn somewhere, and for an employer some kind of qualifications are ususally a helpfull guide to a person's general skill level.
Of course, if you can see that someone has x years working then less importance will be put onto what subjects they studied.
But the point is that if you lie, either about the experience you have or the qualifications that you have, and you have nothing to substitute for those lies, then you are wasting everyone's time applying for a job that needs such things.
it depends on whether killing in itself is considered evil, even if the thing you are killing is the very personifcation of evil.
yarrr.
Knowing you can do it is really not the point. I think I'd make a pretty good fighter pilot, but that doesn't make me qualified to fly over Iraq and drop bombs.
You may have *deserved* them, but other people actually got them. It's not very fair if, for example, you simply claim to have decent results and get an interview, wheras someone who does have those resullts misses out.
To me there is an element of selfishness involved in creative CVisms that says "I didn't actually get / do any of this work, but I think I deserve to have it on my CV anyway".
Exactly. Like kaffrin said earlier, she did resits to get the grades she felt she deserved, not lied about it on her CV. That way, she really did get what she deserved through hard work, not just what she felt like.
If I went for a job and someone who had lied about their qualifications or experience got it over me, I would be really REALLY angry.
if you didn't do the amount of word required to get the grade you think you deserve, you don't deserve it.
Fairs got fuck all to do with it.
If you can lie your way into a job and then do it to the standard required then fair play to you. Not having the qualifications some employers ask for doesn't mean you're not going to be any good at the job, and not everybody's going to have had the chance to go to college or uni.
I pretty much bluffed my way into the job that I have now. I neither had experience or the right qualifications, and there were others who 'deserved' the job more. But then I've worked bloody hard and I do my job well.
Why be a mug and go to uni when you know you can blag your way into a good job.
i never saw the point in it. every single bit of info is true
Fair has everything to do with it. Your attitude is piss poor.
People who do go to uni deserve more of a chance, that is why they go to uni, that is why some things are more accessible to people who have the degree on their CV.
But of course, in your system, everyone should just say fuck it and put down whatever they like on the CV. Because that would work.
My attitude got me my job thanks. I got my foot in the door then I worked my fucking arse off to keep the job.
You don't get very far in this life if you're constantly worried about being fair - that's a mugs game.
People who strive for the job and are going to work hard deserve the job above anyone. A degree isn't accessible to everyone.
Since left college I've been in employment earning good cash and finding out what I want to do. All the while my mates have been penniless at uni, working up a fuckign great debt, getting degrees in something they now know they don't enjoy, and I'm already earning several thousand pound more than they are. Result.
It worked for me. Sorry if you don't like it but if you can get away with it, it does work.
I disagree. Today's marketplace is almost a battlefield, and all's fair in love and war.
Certain domestic factors prevented me from going to uni. had these occurances not taken place then I'm certain I would have gone and hopefully obtained a degree in my chosen field. Why should circumstances beyong my control prevent me from doing a job I know I can do?
You don't see any problem with it because you're benefiting from it, but it is still the wrong attitude to have.
I hope when you leave your current job and go on to interview for another that some punk kid with no experience bluffs his way into the position that you want.
That would be suitable karma.
They shouldn't, but the circumstances shouldn't have stopped you from starting at the bottom and working your way up, either. You have basically taken the lazy way out.
It's not something that will bother me either way, but objectively faking your CV is the wrong thing to do, that's the point I'm trying to make.
yes, exactly, my good man.
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I'm glad that someone gets it at least.
But you didn't. That is the point. Others have and deserve to do better.
If you think you are capable of getting the grades then go back and do it. Go and *earn* your job or whatever.
I went to college and bassically wasted two years gaining A levels I have never used. It took me those two years to realise I didn't know what I wanted to do. I've been working ever since, trying out different things and having fun - never signed on and all the while payed my taxes.
Then I had an opertunity and I took it. Blagged myself a quality job.
I have my own assistant, a company car, a company phone, two company laptops and an excellent bonus scheme. After getting this job I have had to work bloody hard to keep it - and I'm proud of it. My employers happy, I'm happy.
Are you honestly saying that if a perfect job opertunity came up you wouldn't be prepared to tell a few white lies to ensure you get it. If you think like that your a mug. Wisen up because that's the way life works.
Erm, I'm not telling you "to relive your fucking life". Plenty of people get qualifications after they leave school so if you are capable of what you say you are it shouldn't be any problem and won't take long either.
By lying on yur CV about your qualifications, does it not feel like you are cheating your way through life?
That is not cockiness, you are right. There are other ways of being successful rather than going to university. but you can be successful without going to university and without lying to get to where you are.
But don't you feel like you cheated? That you didn't earn what you have achieved? I know I certainly would.
There is a difference between "a few white lies" and lying about your qualifications. I can honestly say, hand on heart, that I would not lie about the qualifications I have in order to get a better job.
What would've happened if they asked for proof of your qualifications? What would you have done then? The company would've been completely in the right to ask for proof that you have what you say you have.
Does it fuck!
I used my brain to ge the job, and now I do it well. Maybe uni and qualifictions isn't always the best way?
Why are some of the people on here getting so worked up about this anyway? If you've gone to uni surely you've got no problems in getting work?
No because although I did very little work to get the job, I've worked bloody hard to keep it. Therefore I deserve it IMO.
Not if you can get away with it? That makes no sense to me.
But they didn't.
No, you didn't use your brain, you lied. There is a difference.
Because it is people like you who take away all the jobs for the people who deserve it. It is because of people like you that I am currently struggling to get work.
Just because you have gone to university it doesn't guarantee you a job. You are in the same boat as everyone else. However, it *should* guarantee you a job suitable for a graduate over someone who has just lied to even get an interview.
No you don't. Because you didn't deserve it in the first place. Simple as.
No, I definitely wouldn't say that I had extra qualifications that I didn't have. It is wrong and I would definitely feel like I had cheated my way to a good position. It is wrong. Simple as.
Then you were lucky.
I was clever enough to get the job. I saw an oppertunity and I took it.
Maybe you made the wrong choice then - obviously grades aint always enough. If you go to uni and work hard you deserve qualifications - you don't automatically deserve a job.