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but what i think a lot of people missunderstand, is not the happenings that go on in urban warfare, but the fact that just because your opinion is more justifiable than the next persons, doesnt always make it more right
Even the Swedes and French think that their armies are "the best in the world"...
Clearing houses, house to house, up close and personal, is the province of the individual grunt. If the US were as your "friend" speculates? We simply would have cleansed Falluja by thermo-nuclear event.
Fact is? Civilian casualties - as opposed to non-uniformed and armed combatants - have been incredibly low - in Falluja.
Talking to your friend? Ain't exactly being there, yourself, now is it? Perhaps you would like a little road trip to Mosul, and decide for yourself?
Confusing statement...
That I speak from personal experience, and the most speculate from supposition, does not indicate that I "might" have a clearer perspective of the issue?
Care to re-phrase?
More the reason to be pissed off at past and present governments of yours, who used people who had joined the army to defend their nation for their own ends, namely protecting the interests of Big Business and advancing the plans of right wing ideology.
Vietnam had absolutely fuck all to do with defending America. THAT IS A FACT. Ditto Iraq. You should be utterly revolted at your government wasting the lives of tens of thousands of people in such manner.
I wonder how many of the 1,100 soldiers who've died in Iraq so far thought they would die defending the interests of Halliburton, Exxon and Lockheed Martin rather than their country.
You want to find parasites? Look no further than the LYING, cheating, murdering, greedy scumbags sitting in government in D.C. and their circle of chums. Starting with your commander-in-chimp.
However Globe you have to admit that in conflicts such as this the military needs to be held to account for actions taken by troops which break international law?
Because every action taken which damages the creditability of the American army will cause a loss of respect from the Iraqi people and will make the situation worse.
Vietnam was ONE BATTLE FIELD in a greater war, which brought down the Soviet Union. Are you now to pontificate how the Soviet Union was a blessing to the free world? Or was it your ideal, before Islamic terrorism?
Iraq? Is not an entity to itself, any more than was Vietnam. It is ONE BATTLE FIELD, of a greater war. And as you are a constant proponent of Islamic terrorism, you would be on the opposing side of the war, now would you not?
Your "facts" are nothing but your own personal supposition. They are hardly "facts"...
And you can take your "chimp" commentary, and shove it up your ass. Or... grow a pair, and come say it to his face.
Iraq and Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
9/11 Commission: No Link Between Al-Qaida and Saddam
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0616-01.htm
Saddam's al Qaeda Connection
http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp
Experts See No Links Between Iraq And Al-Qaeda
http://www.unwire.org/UNWire/20030627/449_5878.asp
So if they is not a link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein how can invading and destablising iraq help against islamic terrorism?
So basically you're saying that anyone, even fellow serving soldiers or high commanding officers of your own army, who disagree with your view that US soldiers can do no wrong in battle, are grunts, whims and assorted wholly liberals right?
Truly priceless.
The collapse of the Soviet Union was due to a number of reasons, mainly economic collapse and political reform. The war in Vietnam had about as much to do with it as a volcanic eruption in Titan.
Yawn... change the record about my "supporting" of Islamic terrorism. When all else fails, revert to trolling eh? How honourable of you :rolleyes:
Can I say it to his face? Really? Excellent. I'll tell him that as well as being a chimp he's thick murdering war criminal scumbag and an action-dodging spineless coward.
Do you think he would sum up the courage to attempt to give me a slap Thanatos? I'd very much like that.
And exactly when is it that the Islamic terrorists will be held to account for THEIR acts?
Curious, is it not, that everyone has immunity from accountability, BUT the United States?
That individual Marine WILL be held to account, and will be judged, by the military. Hopefully, it will be by those who comprehend battle, and not the touchie/feelie parasites who prattle on without the slightest clue as to the true nature and realities of combat.
"International law"? Is a joke, just as is the United Nations, because... who will enforce it? OBJECTIVELY, rather than subjectively? WITHOUT an agenda? THAT is a reality, whether you care to face it or not. You think those terrorists in Iraq - or the Islamic terrorists worldwide - give a good goddamn concerning "international law"? Saddam Hussein himself knew the truth concerning "international law"...
As has been clearly demonstrated within this forum... The most have not the slightest clue as to what transpires - by necessity - in combat. They consider the taking of life - for ANY reason - to be "murder"...
So much safer to be secure within your protected existence, than to face the reality of the world, without that wall manned by us "lawless barbarians", is it not?
And whatever ANY group of "experts" might postulate, can be confronted by another from disparate perspective...
Al Qaeda is one terrorist group, of many. They are NOT the only terrorist entity being confronted, presently. Hussein supported terrorism, even IF not al Qaeda, directly. Are you to defend Hussein, now? Simply because he was not al Qaeda? Be my guest...
And as for your support of Islamic terrorism? That is rather well known in this forum, that those are your PERSONAL HEROES... :rolleyes:
Are you to defend Hussein, now? Simply because he was not al Qaeda? Be my guest..
tell me where the fuck anyone said saddam was/is a good man because he doesnt support bin laden
and do you live in a hole, cause saddam and bin laden have completely different ideologies and hate the crap outta each other and have publicly said so
You forget that he would most probably not have the balls to put his arse on the line... not being one of his habits.
Then again they say chimps are much more stronger than humans...
Bullshit.
Stop lying.
Stop making things up.
Stop resorting to smearing and insults when you lose the plot.
And last but not least, don't ever complain again if anyone calls you 'certain' things, since you're so happy to embark in simlar namecalling on a daily basis.
Or at least look up the meaning of the word 'hypocrisy'.
Bongbudda and I agree on virtually NOTHING, except...
Oh, please do put up more of your "baby killer", "rapist", "war criminal" bullshit, it goes so well with your "white trailer park trash" racist epithets...
have we had this much interest when a hostage is beheaded ...a woman disembowled alive?
a load of iraqi civilians blown to bits by trerrorists ...just wondering.
The Hate America First Club would fold, were they required to address the terrorists with the same fervor as they spew toward America...
Maybe we could have a little competition to select his new screen-name? I plump for 'Oo-rah!' Can anyone do better?
You babble on about the low wages the armed forces recieved Thanny, but it's BUSH who pays the wages.
Wasn't it Bush who cut them, and also reduced the pension available to veterans who gallantly defended South Vietnam all those years ago?
What happens to the partner of a soldier if the soldier dies and they aren't married? Last I heard she was fucked if she thought she could squeeze some money out of the tight fisted bastard you call a boss.
As for Saddam being America's enemy, I only recall him becoming your enemy in 1990. Before then when he was invading Iran and gassing the Kurds he was your best buddy.
I think he was quite content doing all those things with your approval and knew he'd never be able to take the fight overseas.
Those "experts" who have disproven every attempt to link Saddam to Al-Qaeda have more knowledge of the matter than you. You prove that by attempting to fit every situation into something like Vietnam.
It's also a view acknowledged by your government and our government. It appears yours is the only voice still retarded enough to believe it was Saddam who was responsible for killing 3000 people who had nothing to do with the Middle East (except possibly involved in covertly "aquiring" their oil).
Couldn't have been Saudi Arabia, because they're you friends, despite all the hijackers being Saud, or having links to the country.
When can we expect the invasion then?
And inviting one of us to go and give Bush a slap, I hope the secret service aren't reading because they could, (and probably would) confuse that comment with you inciting people to violence. be careful, they're watching you, you may find youself in a prison being ass raped because you asked someone to slap the boss man.
Are you sure you're reading his remarks correctly?
Methinks you've made a mistake there.
Do you understand the concept in which my remarks were posted?
How funny that you have chosen to omit the rest the post concerned...
How funny that you continue to take things out of context.
So let me make it reeeeeeaaaalllly clear for you (again).
If you insist on simplifying the situation on Iraq and on pretending that every last fighter in there is a beheading, woman-killing "terrorist" (or 'turrist', as your chimp President calls them) when you know very well that is not the case, then it is fair for everyone else to say every last serving US soldier is a torturing, murdering scumbag. You can't have it both ways my friend.
It is simply fucking extraordinary that the man who boasts so proudly about America's militias, proliferation of guns and how any invasion of America would be deemed to failure due to all those gun-toting patriots prepared to repel the invader at any cost, has the cheek of branding others who are doing just the same as "terrorists".
And before you start ranting again, we're not talking about terrorist cells who kidnap and behead people. We're talking about armed fighters who engage the illegal invader (that's you) in their struggle to kick you out.
The level of hypocrisy is, once again, breath taking.
When the US military gets its act together and actually bombs the right target perhaps?:rolleyes:
Warning: context free zone ahead
But of course, typical of Thanatos to quote one sentence out of context...
Funny how he forgot to mention what the sentence was in relation to...
Amazing the debating skills of that bloke...
Gutted.
*awaits mil.com trolling*
http://www.kevinsites.net
i think kevin sites is a little pink on the inside but he never called the marines murderers, rapists, or ****s. go figure...
EDIT: what's the deal? does this site censor language now?
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