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Does anyone think a veiled woman working behind the counter at Boots is going to be less able to serve your needs than a woman without a veil?
i like service with a smile
And you can tell a lot more by the tone of voice than by a smile.
i just prefer to be served by someone i can see, personal preference i guess
Would you support the 'right' to wear the veil if it was a middle-aged, white, English man wearing the veil?
I agree with you on this to the extentif you do not need to see a persons face then they can wear a veil, such as call centre jobs or over the phone jobs, but any job where you talk to the person, or are with them, then i think you should be able to see their face, eyes, nose, mouth all included, etc.
I suppose all you guys who deem seeing someone's full face so important are against an invention called 'telephone' and refuse to conduct business, do shopping or take care of domestic matters over that infernal device...
True but how would you like it if the chemist was wearing a motorcycle helmet? Or a KKK mask? In Islamic cultures it's rude not to cover up, in our culture it's rude to cover your face in cloth.
If someone at Boots was wearing a motorcycle helmet I'd find it rather bizarre. If they were wearing a KKK hood I'd find it offensive. I don't see how that has any relevance though. I don't care what people put on their heads so long as it doesn't impair communication (which the motorcycle helmet might as it muffles sounds) or is offensive (like the KKK hood would be).
It might be just me but a person behind a counter can have an entire toilet roll wrapped about their head for all I'd care.
If Muslim women want to - or rather, feel obliged to cover their entire face they should be allowed. But, there is no way that it is acceptable in state schools or government buildings.
Someone who entirely covers their face is separating themselves from the rest of society, they're disadvantaging themselves and they quite clearly do not wish to integrate. It should not be encouraged.
And an employer should be perfectly entitled to not employ someone if they refuse to show their face.
WTF?
Can't you read or something? The burqa should be banned in state schools and all government buildings. The burqa is backward, it frequently has exploitive connotations and through it promoting separation and being a barrier to integration the wearing of it should be discouraged.
People don't dress like this in a modern society.
They can't be banned completely from dressing like that - but if they want to be a part of society and enter government buildings/state schools they should not be allowed to self-segregate.
I do not think the headscarf is a significant barrier to integration, I do not think people wearing a headscarf should be banned from government buildings. Although, religious paraphernalia has no place in state schools so the headscarf along with turbans, skullcaps and visible crucifixes should be banned in state schools.
This has to be one of the few things on which France is absolutely right on. It's depressing to see Britain is going in completely the wrong direction, the desperation of our government to let religion further encroach into the state education system is dangerous and backward.
in the british culture, it is regarded as rude to have your face covered
and seems how these people are in britain, surely they should adhere to OUR culture?
i wouldnt go to a turkish mosque in a bikini
Bikers have to remove their helmets in lots of places, likewise your not allowed in some shopping centres with your hood up, I don't see why veils should be any different.
Interestingly, has anyone thought why many muslim women have chosen to wear a full veil? Do you think it could have anything to do with them feeling the need to express and take pride their identity, what with it being constantly under attack?
I really hope they don't do it to express and take pride in their identity, wearing a full face veil does nothing to express or identify themselves as anything other than a body that submits to being hidden and segregated with no opportunity to have it's own public identity.
Cultures have their roots, and this country is fast losing it's own culture as a result of trying to be so damn politically correct.
And that argument has been used at every major cultural shift in Britain, that people think has been caused by immigration. Interestingly, the same people don't seem to have a problem with the fact that the main cultural influence on this country has been caused by an appetite to consume American products, and that is all the doing of the British public, not anyone coming from overseas. Culture changes all the time. I don't get people who think they can somehow artificially change it, or believe they have a right to. It's such a non-argument in my opinion.
i admit the bikini thing was a bad example
but even so, i respect their culture and it`s requests and cover up more than i would at home
It's worth remembering that the North American infulence on our culture isn't quite so drastic as it comes from the same roots as ours (if you don't understand that, try looking up the Mayflower).
Culture does change all the time, but full face veils are not part of this countries, and won't be unless this whole country becomes muslim which seems somewhat unlikely. I don't want to stop them, what they choose to wear is their choice, but equally it is not unreasonable to expect someone that wants to participate in a public life to be prepared to show themselves when required.
The fact that they are excluded because of peoples attitudes mean that the majority of muslims would over time change their culture to become more accepted as we have seen since the 60's. Anyone who knows any British muslims will tell you that the majority are pretty Western in their culture. But trying to force people to change or attacking them because of their culture just has the opposite effect.
I most certainly can. I can also view a story without a hysterical over-reaction. Can you?
I can also look at a story without calling for huge restrictions in personal freedoms. Whilst I agree that someone's personal beliefs should get in the wayof their ability to perform their job, you are overracting. Escpeially when you would not outlaw anyone from expressing their political belief in those buildings.
Which actually goes completely against the culture which yo ubelieve they should intergrate into. That culture holds the right of personal freedom to be a cornerstone.
.. and do you think that it works over there?
People need to travel and be educated and maybe then they won't feel so scared of someone different to their superior self.
What is "our" culture? Is there only one uniform culture in the UK?
Although culture is fluid, British culture is a by-product of European culture which adheres to certain ideals (human rights, personal freedom and liberty) and also personal beliefs (mainly Christain.) You can compare this starkly with Middle Eastern countries which on the whole, don't model themselves on the European structure.
Now I know I got stick for saying this before because I didn't say "it's my opinion" (oh and who the fuck says that in politics anyway) but the majority of these cases is a rebellion against Western culture. I'm sure most women do not feel comfortable wearing these things whether it's a custom or not. They're openly separating themselves from their British identity, so it's not a case of "I'm British and a Muslim" anymore, it's just a case of "I'm a Muslim now."
and you know this because you know every single Muslim woman who wears the veil? How on earth would you know the real reason that they wear the veil? Yes, I'm sure that women who wouldn't have really been arsed with the veil in the first place would now just put one on to make a statement :yeees: Why are they separating themselves from their British identity? You don't have to choose between following your race OR your religion, you can have both! What does a person have to wear/say/do to make sure that they're not separating themselves from their British identity?Would it be better if everyone in Britain wore blue jeans, trainers and a black t-shirt? Because then noone would be separating themselves from society and then we'll have the perfect British society where noone would be different from anyone.