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on what do you base this?
i can understand why it might be a problem for some people, but surely thats their problem to sort out not the person wearing the veil.
also, the increased exposure about terrorism and islamophobia and phychotci muslims seems to be crating stronger opposition on both sides and i really think jack straws comments dont help justl ike i dont think the muslims reactions on the pope's speech was.
What Disillusioned said is actually true.
How can the other person sort it out?
meh
I do find it rather ironic however that people who find it abhorrent that women are pressured into wearing something want to rectify it by...pressuring women into not wearing something.
im happy discussing important things over the internet, it doesnt lower the standard, nor does phonecalls.....
Why do you think people still fly half way across the world to have a meeting? Why don't they just pick up the phone? - Of course they do a lot of the time but some people still fly all over to meetings and whatever.
Depending on who it is lol, it's preferable to actually meet somebody rather than talk on the phone...And meeting someone who has entirely covered their face is not aiding communication.
What therefore sticks in my claw is how these very same people then whinge constantly about they are "excluded" from things- mostly this means people don't roll over and pander to their every whim, forcing everyone to wear the jilbab.
Except how many time have you misunderstood an e-mail because the intonation wasn't there, how many times have you been lied to over the phone because you cannot see the body language.
When you are face to face with someone you get it all. The vast majority of communication is not in the words we use but in the tone and in the "non-verbal" communication methods.
It's why people are often uncomfortable with hoodies and sunglasses.
Thing is, and I come back to this point, no-one has yet answered why it is wrong for Jack Straw to even ask, nor have they explained why the women's choice should automatically outweigh Jack's.
Is it the very same people?
I dont hear many people screaming about how awful that is.
Its totally just another example of people jumping on the anti-muslim bandwagon
But I doubt that there are many orthodox jews or Christians living in Blackburn, whereas there are rather a lot of Muslims....
Why the need for comparison with other examples, it does nothing for this debate and accusing everyone of being 'anti-Muslim' just dodges the debate......
I've never seen an Orthodox Jew or Christian cover their entire face.
And there are lots of orthodox jews in Britain.
Im not sidelining the issue by calling it anti-muslim because it IS. Every bloody story in the papers is "oooooh muslims are doing this now" and "blimmin muslims, theyve done THIS"
Its like a fucking recruiting ground for the BNP at the moment with the media trying to create a climate for more wars against those terrible muslim people. I cant believe so many people are falling for it.
Muslims from Africa and the far east don't tend to cover their entire face.
I understand that people prefer face to face contact, but it ISNT essential. Arguing that anyones got "the right" to ask anybody anything they please, is stupid. Of course you can say what you like, but it doesnt mean its ok, and I find it very doubtful that women are just fine to take their veils off in front of Jack straw as he claims.
I don't care what they wear in public, but I think he is entitled to ask the people to show their face in private if they wish to speak to him. I think I would baulk at speaking in private to someone dressed like that, its rude and its threatening.
Apropos of nothing, it seems a terrorist has taken to wearing the full jilbab to avoid detection.
That's slightly more the problem here- these people want us to pander to their cultural whim, without compromising to our culture at all. The jilbab is a cultural dress, and whilst it is a culture based on religion it is not a religious dress. I wouldn't go to their country and dress against their social norms; I don't see why it is our problem when they do not extend the same courtesy.
I don't think anyone demands they remove them but they have a right to say what they think and I personally think it's hideous and wouldn't feel comfortable at all talking to someone wearing it. But then again I come from Norn Iron and I'm just a dumb racist.