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Agreed.
What I thought was interesting this morning was that Faris Badawi from the Muslim College was on the radio saying that he thought it was understandable for the passengers to have been worried.
The two Aisan men said in their intervew they were NOT wearing heavy clothes..
The last guy the papers said was wearing a heavy padded coat was shot in the head 7 times - and the photos of his dead body show it was a denim jacket.
And remember where they were about to go to ... a Country not known for it's sunny and realiable weather.
If anything I'd think people flying to England in shorts and flip flops on an airconditioned plane would be more suspect...
....As for some people here saying don't blame people for trying to protect themselves by seperating themselves from people that don't look like they do .. where does it end? It's fine to be scared but when does commonsense come into effect?
in World War two after the attack on pearl harbour the president of the USA signed a bill that made it perfectly legal to take anyone living in the USA of Japanese origin and lock them up against their will in camps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
http://www.lib.calpoly.edu/spec_coll/internment/letters/poster1.gif
Approximately 120,000 Japanese and Japanese Americans, 62 percent of whom were United States citizens, were taken from their homes and put into camps.
One hundred twenty tousand people of Japanese ancestry were instructed to report in as little as 48 hours, bringing only what they could carry, to one of sixteen “assembly centers,” from which they were to be transported to one of ten internment camps.
They were kept there for 3 years from 1942 to 1945
So where does it end?
And why was there no German Internment Camps? .. Maybe because your average German and American don't really look much different?
I don't know how you classify the race of the average white American or white German (not a fan of the terms black and white but don't know what other term to use) but they're basically the same to look at, same skins tones, same features, etc It's just the cultures are different, not the race.
Those two Aisan lads look just like any average 20 something year old students you see on the street in London.
Im not surprised it said one of their father's hit the roof, a lot of Asian's escaped countries such as Uganda in the 1970's to come to the UK when the then president was overturned in a coup and the new leader threathened their lives if they didn't leave the country.
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=29825
I know several Asian's who came to the UK from Uganda to escape what was happening and to give their kids a better and safer life in a country that was known to be so peaceful and fair to all that even their police did not need to carry guns.
So I can understand why their parents would be more upset with what happened they they seem to be .. most people (including all races) that were born and grew up in the UK have no idea what life can be like when you're living in an unstable country.
You really couldn't make it up.
Imagine if they had have been bombers?
No one's saying they are right to be kicked off but at a sensitive time like this, we can understand people being scared of stereotypes in a siutuation like the plane.
Now I'm buggering off from replying to this thread (famous last words) as it's going round and round. I see both points, I usually can see both sides to the argument (I'm good like that ) and I defo do here.
Enjoy yourselves
It is the same here. Not right, not fair, but understandable, get me?
While the difference between child and adult mentality isn't exactly directly applicable here, if you can't understand why someone is nervous when seeing a couple of asian guys allegedly acting dodgy before getting on a plane, following several shocking islamic rooted terrorist attacks and thwarted plots, you can't convince them to be rational and admit there's nothing to be afraid of.
What is harder to understand, is a reaction, unless you can admit it's probably motivated entirely by greed. Pulling those two men off the plane was probably motivated by the operators desire to keep as many paying customers on board as possible. And while this is placating the masses, it's also entirely unhelpful, as is the government scare-mongering tactics (also motivated by greed). What is needed, is level headed people able to understand the situation, who can then go in and provide the calming yin, to their raging yang.
A refusal to understand something because it is distastful is more harmful than helpful in my opinion.
You're clearly obsessed.
I'm not really sure what your point is.
I don't agree with the shopkeeper being prejudiced about young people, but I can understand why he would be distrustful of young people when half his stocks walks out in the pockets of the kids from the local school.
I don't agree with passengers being prejudiced about Muslim people, but I can understand why people would be nervous and wary about Muslim people in unseasonal clothes acting suspiciously on a plane a matter of days after a supposed major terrorist attack by Muslims.
I don't believe that these people were basing their prejudicide on the colour of the skin; or, to be more exact, not in the way you mean. They didn't fear the Muslim man as a terrorist because they don't like people with dark skin, they feared the Muslim man as a terrorist because the popular view is of terrorists are Muslim men.
If all the recent terrorist attacks had been by ginger lesbians with Yorkshire accents, people would be afraid of ginger lesbians with Yorkshire accents. If shoplifters were businessmen in suits, people would be suspicious of businessmen in suits.
It's prejudiced, but its understandable prejudice, and its not based on racism.
Be honest, were you not afraid of people with Basque names and accents during the height of ETA activity? Did you not flinch the first time you saw a Pakistani man on public transport with a gigantic rucksack and a big coat?
But I fear we're arguing over semantics so I'll concede the point. I guess it is understandable some people are going to react like that, just as some people are quick to brush an entire group on the actions of a few.
I seldom use public transport so I haven't been in the situation you propose. Perhaps I might have been worried- I don't know. Though at least you could say tube users don't get through the strict security checks air passengers do.
People are being brainwashed through the media
There was a TV programme on just 2 days ago called "The Fear of Flying" - they had 40 people from all over the UK scared of flying.
And the guy in it said managed to help recode their brains to not be afraid of flying and in the end 37 out of 40 people happily got on a plane at the end of the show.
If you keep showing images in the media of Asian / Arabic men and keep associating them with terrorism then in the back of people's brains it starts to get encoded. Do kids in play school have any such fears? Kids of all different races will happily play with one another it's only as they get older and start seeing TV and newspapers they start to develop such fears.
Personally I'd feel more scared of a skin head covered in tattoos then two Asian lads as shown in those pics, why? Because the skinhead has chosen to have his head shaved and endure a lot of pain to have those tattoo's put on, so instantly my knowledge tells me that person isn't afraid of a bit of pain and suffering, so I wonder if he's be afraid of also dishing it out.
Interesting thing to note inthe first episode was out of the terrorists, they were every race going except Asian.
There was an Egyptian, a jewish Guy, a black guy and a couple of white guys in the group of terrorists, in fact the jewish guy was incharge.
fact is you're not going to know who is a terrorist the same way you're not going to know which catholic priest is fiddling with the choir boys.
If they were suicide bombers they'd have shaved all their body hair off, not gone around with long hair.
The best way to avoid an incident like this in the future is to give passengers signs that security is tough, more sniffer dogs openly roaming the terminals with the handlers, being seen coming off planes just before the passengers board would be a good start.
I think that would explain quite a bit.
Blagsta said he flinched the first time, I know I did. It doesn't mean I hate people with dark skin, but it's understandable to be nervous after something like that.
I think you are missing the difference between understandable and acceptable. It wasn't acceptable what happened, but it is understandable that people would be nervous. Especially as people don't trust security- they missed 9/11, and they missed the shoebomber too.
Much as I detest Rod Liddle, I think he's hit the nail on the head there.
He's a serial fraudster, they only spent a few hours in Malaga before coming home, they were wearing heavy clothing in the heat, continually checking their watches and speaking in Urdu.
These guys are a couple of complete arseholes.
In fact I think this deserves a new thread.
And here is everyone feeling sorry for them. lol
But, on this occasion the fellow passengers were acting within reason after all.
Flinched is putting it a bit strongly tbh.