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You're in favour of people who attack homes and dig up people's graves?
Presumably you also expect IRA and Loyalist terrorists to routinely announce their intentions on Sunday Mass in Northern Ireland...
It was plain wrong throwing these guys off the plane. They wern't doing any harm and abiding by all the rules.
Hell, half the drunk larger louts I see (Who are white) at the airport cause more trouble. They let htem on (and they usually are loud and annoying all flight.)
I'm sure not one of those holidaymakers returning to Manchester from Malaga fit that profile though...
Kermit .. define the word "Community"
There are over 1 Billion Muslims in the world and within that 1 Billion or so there's many different kinds of muslims, just as there's lots of different kinds of Christians. Not every Muslim goes to a moque, not every musim prays every day at home.
about every 1 in 5 or 1 in 6 people on the planet are Muslim, do you know what 1 Billion people are up to? Do you even know what your next door neighbour is doing in his home?
What happen on Sept 11th was nothing compared to what happened in Rwanda in 1994 when over 800,000 people were killed in 100 days
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1288230.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3594187.stm
But you didn't see much happening in the international community then .. no US and UK troops making their way over to Africa on the scale we've seen in the Gulf and Iraq wars.
What's happening in the world today is all about power .. using what happened on sept 11th to take control of both the citizens of Western countries, introducing new laws which limit their rights and also taking control of some of the most heavily ladden oil rich countries in the world.
And the sad fact is the media are being used to scare people into submission and when things like this happen on a plane and the Authorities bend to the will of mob justicethen everyone looses out eventually.
The actions of 20, 50 or 100 terrorists doesn't compare to the 1 Billion+ Muslims who probabaly just lead normal and totally law abiding lives. The same way the actions of the IRA don't reflect the beliefs and actions of millions of Irish people, or the way ETA doesn't reflect the average Spanish person.
It does mean, though, that a lone woman will be distrusteful of men approaching her, and will try to avoid walking through areas that are deserted and badly lit.
We do when we know about it.
But do you seriously believe that the Muslim leaders don't know what is going on in the Mosques they lead? On the same note, did you really believe Gerry Adams when he reckoned he didn't know what the IRA were up to? They know what's going on, but it suits their geopolitical agenda to let it continue.
I'm not saying that these two unfortunate gentlemen are responsibl;e for Al Qaeda, but because of the actions of their community leaders they are being tarnished with the same brush.
And if the terrorists were white then they would be treated exactly the same. Perhaps you forget how people with Irish accents were treated in the 1970s.
You are the minority and as Fiend said congratulations on that :thumb:
So im sat on the plane and am suspicious of someone, ok i'll say nowt let the airplane go and we all could be blown up.
They were treated fairly in my opinion, regardless of what they looked like if their actions made passengers suspicious of them then get them off the plane till they have been thorougly checked.
I can imagine the outcry if they HAD been allowed to fly and they were infact terrorists.........would you risk it if you were the pilot ?
Again with the community thing ...
You seem to quote old Tony Blair word for Word.
Seinn Fein is a political organistion .. a Mosque is for praying, so why do you even try to compare the two?
Who are these so called leaders you speak of?
Not all mosques have any leaders, some rely on a group of volunteers who are elected and change once a year. I know the local mosque in our area works this way and they have 2 men and 2 women volunteers and then at the end of the year 4 new people come in.
At any one service 500 to 1,000 people might attend, do you think those volunteers know each and everyone of them?
Does your local Chrisian priest know which of the members of his church are terrorists?, which go home drunk every night and beat their wives? Which of them goes shop lifting on the weekends? Which members pretend to be asleep on trains they can dodge fares?
You seem to suggest (like Tony Blair) there's some magical community or leader of the community that knows exactly what everyone gets up to? After the London bombings when they interviewed the parents and brothers and sisters of the people that carried out the attacks, even most of them had no idea anything was going on.
This whole community should do this and that is rubbish and it's things like two innocent guys being thrown off a plane or people being held for 4 or 5 years in America's make shift prison without charge that's more likely to get people angry and decide to take things into their own hands.
The community is everyone and if one section of the community thinks it's right to throw off another section of the comunity of a plane cos they're a bit different then they're the ones that need to get themselves sorted out.
As long as those two guys went through the same security checks as everyone else they should either have been allowed to take the flight or they should have removed every single person from the flight and rechecked all of them. I flew back on a plane from Kenya to London shortly after september 11th and they put everyone's luggage on the tarmac and made everyone personally ID their baggage, every single person had to do this and no one had a problem with it because the same rule applied to every person.
And at the very least the so called Arabic speaking woman who was supposed to have overheard them speak should have also been held back so she could make a statement to the police about what she says she heard, but I see no reports that say she was held back.
I don't think it was right to throw them off the plane, but the blame is not with the passengers. The blame is entirely with the Muslim crackpots who are determined to justify widescale murder because of the bogeyman Bush.
There is not one distinct Islamic community, in the UK or anywhere, but there are organisations such as the Islamic Council who are in touch with much of the Islamic community, and know exactly what is going on. Disgusting actions like the protest outside the Danish embassy do not organise themselves, and they do not create themselves.
The terrorists keep coming out of the same mosques, and that is no coincidence. The same names keep getting bandied about, like Finsbury Park, and that is no coincidence either.
The Muslim community has not done enough to bring its troubelmakers to justice in the last 15 years, and now it is reaping the benefit of that. Hide the terrorists and hide the rioters and everyone thinks you are a rioting terrorist.
The passengers were entirely right to be scared of the Islamic men.
how do you know?
true.
again, how do you know?
while i'm sure some muslims know who these people, its wrong to blame the community as a whole.
its fair enough they were weary but did the men actually 'do' anything to make the passengers react the way they did?
It's not very often it happens but i'm entirely in agreement with you here Kermit.
you're being plain daft now, what exactly are you basing your belief on? pure hearsay i'm betting, unless you happen to have close muslim ties? i didn't think so.....you're forgetting how overhyped the whole terrorist threat is, if there was even a significant minority (i.e. 1%) of UK muslims involved in terrorism we'd be under attack everyday in London, let's face it for all the security it's not very hard to set off a crude bomb, fact is we've only had 1 terrorist attack in the whole of the UK and 1 in the whole of the US in over 5 years (these aren't villages and towns we're talking about countries and continents, with 100s of millions of people remember), which means there aren't as many crackpots running around as we're being led to believe, even if there are community leaders out there i fail to see how they'd know what one or two extremists are up to, you really think there's some big organised terrorist presence being shielded by the muslim community? wake up ffs the threat is so minimal i'm more likely to get run over tomorrow than blown up........the ones who are involved aren't going to advertise it, fact is they view moderate muslims as fair targets for not fighting the 'infidels', so why would they tell their mosque buddies what they're up to? get a grip man.
i'm sorry what terrorists are these, are you privy to some intelligence the rest of us aren't? do tell....
more irrational paranoia, dude i thought you were smarter than this......
perhaps, but if they can't reconcile their daft preconceptions then they're the ones who should get off the plane and book another flight, not the other way around.
People like Hamza are directly linked to the top Muslim clerics and leaders in this country, and have been proven to be so. If people like Hamza get welcomed with open arms then who else does?
And instead of condemnation, what do you get from the top Islamic leaders? More lies, more bullshit, and more justification. It's all Bush's fault, innit.
As for how this works, perhaps you forget Salman Rushdie, perhaps you forget the riots, perhaps you forget countless attempted terrorist attacks on major cities. I remember 5,000 Muslim men on the streets of Bradford declaring death on Rushdie, the same again attacking any white person. Nothing much has changed.
It doesn't justify what happened to these men, but people will be jumpy around funny-looking Islamic men because funny-looking Islamic men have a proven track record of blowing things up.
And perhaps part of the reason people were marching in protest was because at the time under British law there was one rule for Christianity and different rules for all other religions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3753408.stm
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/blasphemy.html
If the law treated all religions the same then maybe the 5,000 men would never have felt the need to march in the first place?
i agree it's there and it is a problem, but that doesn't equate to active involvement in terrorism or indeed a significant minority knowing about it and hiding it.........
No your right it doesn't.
and I get jumpy around big black men with their hoods up when walking through London at night, because big black hooded men have a proven track record of mugging and assaulting people in London........but I don't demand that they all stay indoors so I can feel safer, I just avoid going into those areas.....they have as much a right to be there as I do, just like those funny-looking Arabs on the plane. We live in a free society (allegedly).
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see Catholics rioting and putting a fatwa on Dan Brown.
Something is wrong in the state of Islam.
And yet I somehow don't think many Catholics would have been kicked out of planes because of their religion.
I'm sorry, even if there is some leniency amongst Muslim community leaders (whoever they might be) there is no excuse whatsoever to tar a group of 1bn people with the same brush. Especially, as diamond had said earlier, since they are a very diverse group from all backgrounds, many of whom will have never had contact with would-be bombers in their entire life.
Anyone who feels apprehensive around Asians/Muslims is a bigot and a tosser.
Who says the men were Islamic?
All we know is they were Asian in Appearence and were maybe speaking arabic, as told my some mystery woman who it seems did not stay behind to give the police a statement of what she may or may not have heard (if she even exists)
There about 800 Million Hindu's in the world, I know about 200 Asians that are Catholic and go to church every Sunday and have first names like Paul, John and James... and everyone of them seems to own a jacket.
I know lots of Asians that are Buddhists - do you think the people on the plane bothered to find out anything about these men?
There's loads of Muslims in Russia and China could you tell just by looking at them what their religion is?
Should we ban people from planes wearing union jack t-shirts because they might be football hooligans? The vast majority of English soccer hooligans appear to be white males. Should we say only non-white males from the UK are allowed to go to the next world cup?
There are a lot of Catholic people with Irish names who would beg to differ.
No they are not.
But it's easier to tar them all as racists than deal with the underlying issue here.
The biggest threat this country faces is from Arabic Muslim men. Being nervous of Arabic Muslim men is therefore understandable. It's not rocket science.
All the problems faced by Arabic Muslim men are created by other Arabic Muslim men. This is one thing the Muslim community can't blame on the white bogeyman.