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I hope you paid Viz their royalties for that one!
I don't want to be picky, but Master and Commander isn't a distortion of history as its not based on a true story. And the film is probably one of the most historically accurate potrayal of naval life I've seen (to having young kids as midshipmen, the fact there was no explosions when cannon balls hit the ship and the relationship between the officers and the men).
U-571 perhaps a point.
But why would the Brits be included in Saving Private Ryan - they landed miles away and they wouldn't link up for several days. Any Brit in the film would not only have to be terribly lost, but have fought his way through several miles of German troops to meet up with Tom Hanks
America:
1) Lets have a British robin hood shall we? Hmm? Just once ... its about time!
2) Repeat after me, 'King Arthur and the knights of the round table are not Russian mercenaries working on one last mission for the Romans!' Seriously I know the idea of a benevolent Brit, even a mythic one, must send you into fits of rage but can't you at least give us Arthur?!?!
3) Britain is not made up of cockneys and posh gits!
4) Saying 'apples and pears' and 'cor blimey' does not a cockney make!
5) Sean Bean is a hugely gifted actor ... stop casting him as the friend-turn-villain!
Thank you
p.s. the last one is only slightly sarcastic because i fucking love Sharpe!
That'll be because the ultimate aim of communism is to do away with the state entirely. The question is whether a revolutionary vanguard is neccessary to show the workers the way and to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat, leading to an eventual "whithering away of the state" (Marxist-Leninism) or whether we should overthrow the state in one go and establish workers councils etc (anarchist/libetarian communism).
*ahem*
As you were.
Im sure Master and Commander is based on true events but i could be wrong, i've heard it was from other people.
Thankyou Kane.
Ok, so Russia was never Communist, it was more a dictatorship. But it branded itself as such. Hitler never had "National Socialism"... he instead went off and befreinded the Elites, should we stop calling him a Nazi?
I must say though, fuck me, that was possibly one of hte greatest combacks in Modren Military History. Like, EVER. And the thing is... it was Stalin's fault the Nazi's got that far. It was also his doing that the USSR won the war. Odd.
I want an IL-2 badly though. Or a Polikarpov!
Their is one province of India that is truly Communist, they elected to be communist and run the province as a real communist way it is meant to be run. I forget its names however.
Marxism and Communism are not alike at all!
Leninism and Marxism are nothing alike at all!
Leninism is a hypocrits take on the people having the power!
As for British atrocities, well yeah, they happened, can not deny them. Can not deny all of history is fill of them in fact. Great powers do terrible things for power. But at least we didnt go in guns blazing all the time, look at the fluke with how we took control of India, all business, no conquest.
As for Green Mile...it was crap! So was the Terminal, in old age Tom Hanks is getting hit and Miss.
World War two owes much to the USSR as they sacrificed 20 million to the cause of fighting the Nazis. Then again they were so scared of the Japanese they pont blank refused to take them on unless they were invaded which they were not and remember the USSR signed a non agressin pact with the Nazis leaving Britain with only its Imperial allies to fight the Nazis and Japanese for a few years. Britain won the Battle of Britain, Britain won the battle in the Atlantic, Britain won the battle for North Africa and British leaders were smart enough to pass off the most heavily fortified beaches to the Americans on D-Day! Britain and USSR beat the Germans over the whole war, America came in at the end with the Money and took on Japan mostly.
As for re-writing history in Movies, i am sure all of you know of the new law passed by the Americans to allow local authorites to edit movies independetly of the Studios and cut them up and censor them as they wish to prevent subversive or even un-christian material been shown to people! It is is bad as Book Burning to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
U-572 was a terrible film! The Patriot was a terrible Film! BraveHeart was a terrible Film! The Passion of the Christ was a terrible film! Hollywood is not good at telling the truth! At least Zulu got the battle correct it just made up a lot of bullshit about how some of the British soldiers were criminals or drunks. Titanic was a load of shit too, people shooting the passengers and then themselves. Hollywood should stick to fiction...or crazy takes on relaiy like the Classic Apocolypse Now!
I hate it when the americas do that in films and real life. Pisses me off no end, and you kno wme, I ain't no easy american basher, but it gets me.
Oh and to "who won WW2", it was the British winning the Battle of Britain in the skies. If Briatin had lost then Germany would have invaded and taken the atomic bomb design and become the ONLY nuclear power in the world. You see the Americans only bult the bomb, they didn't come up with the theory or design, they only got it coz briatian secreted to them in the war. So that Fatherland novel is bullshit about a cold war between USA and Germany. Germany would have ruled the world. Simple.
I havent seen that passion of the christ, I wouldnt mind seeing it mind. No extras on the dvd tho!
British scientists did lay all the ground work for the design and technology for the Atom Bomb. We were aided by espionage in Germany because German scientists almost had it perfected too, but in the end American money cealed the deal on who gets the A-Bomb.
A copy and paste job if ever I saw one!
The character Gibson plays isn't based on any particular historical character, although they did draw inspiration from some guy who led a group of militia known as the 'swamp rats' or something...that could be the person you're talking about.
The British officer is based on a guy called Banastre Tarleton - although the idea that he was a murderous sadist owes more to myth than reality.
The way they portray blacks being accepted during the Revolution is astonishing as well.
Pity somebody didn't stick a bayonet through Gibson is all i can say.
One guy gives the black character a bit of abuse (one guy, no more). He then suddenly changes his mind and proclaims himself "honoured" to be shoulder to shoulder with him before it kicks off with the British.
At one point Gibson's blacks are offered an end to slave status if they fight for the Crown. Their reply is that they aren't slaves and are free to work the land :rolleyes:
Basically they hint at the racial issue, then counter it with ludicrous fiction.
Whoever wrote that script should be beaten senseless.
Damn, that is pretty ludicrous. "How dare you offer us freedom? We're fighting for liberty!" :rolleyes:
yup.
The point is America would never have gotten the A-Bomb without Britains worj. They didn't design or come up with techonology for it or owt like that, they just built it based on British work. If Germany had invaded (and evidence shows if they had own the battle of britian, their was nothing left to stop the from doing it), they would have had A-bomb techonolgy and be res strcoked, more gorund, more money more everything. They would have taken all of europe, probbaly stood up to Russia better. Allied with Japan still who would have taken the east and China. The germans an djapenese would have gone through the middle east and india. They would rule. Porbably take over Africa, allyy themslevs with some of the South Ameircan rgeimes, had controle there, leaving only Australia, America and Canada as safe havens left.
America would have probably done a deal not to fight but would not be the super power they are today. Germans would theb the super power and thats it.
Scary eh?
German Jewish refugees did a lot more to help develop the atomic bomb than the British.
The germans were way ahead of everyone in the techonolgy race. There scientists were the best, they had it all. We wer eplaying catch up all the time. The Americans were nothing!!!
The only reason americ got so advanced after the war and won the space race was becasue they got all the german nazi scientist over to them, pardoned their crimes and had them work for them!!!!
American technology is built on those nazi's scientists.
Britain had the A-Bomb design and theory but were too involve din the war. Diverting resouces to the battle itself an dother areas of development. We had an empire to protect!
America only got nuclear thanks to britain. If Germany had own the Battle of Britian, they would have invaded then and there and got the technology before Ameirica got a chance.
Europe would have been lost forever. Germany and Japn would have teame dup better on Russia and probably gotten through the Russian winter (which did more to defeat the germans then the yanks), they 'd have ruled supreme.
America would have dealed coz there preisdent was such a dick, they would have been subservant to the nazis. They would only be a develope dnation due to their finances coz they rpofieted off of everyone else going to war, but even then they wouldnt have had so much as the war would have been shorter.
Believe it.
:yes:
Erm ... the world was not saved from the Axis by Britain, lets be clear on that. There isn't one nation that decisively swung it either way. Allied victory was due to the the entire allied effort and the various mistakes made by the Axis powers.
I hate it when Americans do the whole 'you'd be speaking German if it weren't for us' thing but its equally as ridiculous to suggest Britain saved the day on her own.
You've got your facts mixed up. By the time of the Battle of Britain the British nuclear project was still very much in the theory stages. Look up the MAUD committee and Tube Alloys if you want the truth.
I think a quote from Stalin* sums it up
'The British gave time, the Americans gave tanks and we gave men'
* may not be 100% accurate as I'm going from memory.
Cracking the code
Tricking the germans at d-day
the russian winter
the mistake of hotler splitting his foces to 2 fronts
concentrating on amerin tanks, when russia need to be dealt with
trying to invade russia without finishing what he started
losing the battle of britian
americans coming in
the a-bomb
Of course it was all them things, I never said it wasnt.
But the Battle of Britain was a huge turning pont and a critical stage. If it had gone the other way then the Allies may not have won the war is what I am saying.
Nope.
State capitalist is a more accurate description. They called themselves Communist but weren't. It may be an idea to make a distinction between communism and Communism.