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i was readin an old forum wen the age old arguement about goths came up. so come on, does bein depressed lead u 2 become a goth, or does bein a goth make u depressed?
well neitehr really. i ahve friends who are goths and not depressed, i ahve friends that are gotsh and depressed, and i hav friends that are not goths and are depressed. i jus hate teh "normal, happy people" who are v judgemental on thsi subject, i mean come on, open ure fuckin minds a bit will ya?
i personally started listenin to the music thru depression, coz i could identify with it, but i knwo ppl who like teh music purely for the sake of teh music, on teh otehr hand u do get ppl whop lek teh band for teh depressed singer etc (ie radiohead, nirvana, manics)
and like i know of a person who had a friend that started cuttin a few days after buyin her first nirvana album, and he was gettin all stressed coz he thought that the music was influencing her. im pretty sure that she already had the urges to do that, and just found that seh could relate to nirvanas lyrics so she did it anyway. and ii guess some of marilyn mansons lyrics can influence in a bad way, but my opinion is u can influence what isnt there, so i think that if a band or singer does have that sort of effect on a [erson, then its probably because thats their personality anyway, and they were just hidin it b4.
yeh ok im startin to ramble ona bit now, but it just needed to be said (probably again) and im sure loadsa ppl will moan bout what ive just siad and say that its all been said b4, but i just wanted to get it off my chest from my POV.
well neitehr really. i ahve friends who are goths and not depressed, i ahve friends that are gotsh and depressed, and i hav friends that are not goths and are depressed. i jus hate teh "normal, happy people" who are v judgemental on thsi subject, i mean come on, open ure fuckin minds a bit will ya?
i personally started listenin to the music thru depression, coz i could identify with it, but i knwo ppl who like teh music purely for the sake of teh music, on teh otehr hand u do get ppl whop lek teh band for teh depressed singer etc (ie radiohead, nirvana, manics)
and like i know of a person who had a friend that started cuttin a few days after buyin her first nirvana album, and he was gettin all stressed coz he thought that the music was influencing her. im pretty sure that she already had the urges to do that, and just found that seh could relate to nirvanas lyrics so she did it anyway. and ii guess some of marilyn mansons lyrics can influence in a bad way, but my opinion is u can influence what isnt there, so i think that if a band or singer does have that sort of effect on a [erson, then its probably because thats their personality anyway, and they were just hidin it b4.
yeh ok im startin to ramble ona bit now, but it just needed to be said (probably again) and im sure loadsa ppl will moan bout what ive just siad and say that its all been said b4, but i just wanted to get it off my chest from my POV.
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sorry irrelvant.
i think you have a lot of valid points charley, if we could discuss this properly then it would be good, but i think people are gonna overreact again and its all gonna turn way nasty.
so i think drifters probably right to say just leave it.
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then go for it, but don't say we didn't warn you. lol j/k
if everyones gonna respect each others opinions then it should b fine
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Fair point charley and I am willing to discuss this rationally.
As you said previously ^^^^^^^ there. That depressed people turn to goths. Well I'm depressed and have been on and off for a few years now. Anyway, I'm not a goth but I do think Marilyn Manson's music is good. I don't give a shit if you all think I'm a freak but most people would think I'm fairly normal and listen to normal music. Not that gothic music isn't normal.
Different people have different tastes. I like death metal, metal, rock etc. The music doesn't make me feel any more depressed. If anything it makes me feel better cause I can relate to it.
I think Slipknot are f**king excellent!!! I can relate to the music!!! As the lyrics in the track "surfacing" go -
I'm mature enough to make my own decisions and I'm not gonna slash my wrists cause MM said so. If this "theory" some people have is correct then wouldn't that mean that every man who listens to Eminem's "kim" is gonna beat their wife and child? Anyone who listens to "Stan" is gonna drive off a bridge if they can't get an autograph off their idol?
Rock and metal doesn't make me feel depressed andsuicidal!!! Its music like Hearsay that make me f**king depressed cause I have to put up with listening to their crap number 1 hit in work every 2 minutes on key103.
Music is just music and all kinds of people commit suicide because of many different reasons and not because of the music they listen to. Its events that make people depressed and suicidal.
OK I'll shut upnowcause I don't make sense.
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i heard some of his music recently and its not half as bad as i was expecting it to be. its not really tye sort of music i listen to, its a bit heavy... but its not gonna make people commit suicide. i do think its wrong for him to promote self harm... but then its like saying about eminem and wife beating and shooting people, thats probably wrong too.
i agree with what mark said, listening to crappy pop music makes me more depressed than the music i listen to, indie sorta stuff, that people say is depressing, like coldplay and jj72 and stuff like that. all these people in school call it "we're all gonna die music" , just coz itisnt all bouncy like s club 7? listening to that kind of music doesnt mean im depressed! the type of music you listen to doesnt make you prperly depressed, it can make you think about things that ARE depressing perhaps. but youre not going to commit suicide because of a certain type of music, thats just rubbish.
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It all depends on what you mean by promoting self-harm. I was self-harming before I even heard of Manson or Amen, although I didn't know it was linked to depression. I don't think Marylin should promote self-harm, but should make ppl aware of it. I don't know of any1 who's cut themselves after listening to a gothic song, they've done it because they've got issues, not because it looks cool.
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charley
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posted 18-03-2001 17:40
i was readin an old forum wen the age old arguement about goths came up. so come on, does bein depressed lead u 2 become a goth, or does bein a goth make u depressed?
well neitehr really. i ahve friends who are goths and not depressed, i ahve friends that are gotsh and depressed, and i hav friends that are not goths and are depressed. i jus hate teh "normal, happy people" who are v judgemental on thsi subject, i mean come on, open ure fuckin minds a bit will ya?
i personally started listenin to the music thru depression, coz i could identify with it, but i knwo ppl who like teh music purely for the sake of teh music, on teh otehr hand u do get ppl whop lek teh band for teh depressed singer etc (ie radiohead, nirvana, manics)
and like i know of a person who had a friend that started cuttin a few days after buyin her first nirvana album, and he was gettin all stressed coz he thought that the music was influencing her. im pretty sure that she already had the urges to do that, and just found that seh could relate to nirvanas lyrics so she did it anyway. and ii guess some of marilyn mansons lyrics can influence in a bad way, but my opinion is u can influence what isnt there, so i think that if a band or singer does have that sort of effect on a [erson, then its probably because thats their personality anyway, and they were just hidin it b4.
yeh ok im startin to ramble ona bit now, but it just needed to be said (probably again) and im sure loadsa ppl will moan bout what ive just siad and say that its all been said b4, but i just wanted to get it off my chest from my POV.
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charley
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posted 18-03-2001 17:44
oh but that daze gyu did hav one good point; its wrong of m/manson to go around promotin s/harm, i mean its not the sort of thign that u'd want everyonr to know about is it?
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Drifter
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posted 18-03-2001 18:21
i really think it would be best not to start up the whole goths thing again. It will only end in another massive fight.
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posted 18-03-2001 18:41
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Originally posted by Drifter:
i really think it would be best not to start up the whole goths thing again. It will only end in another massive fight.
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Girl-From-Mars
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posted 18-03-2001 19:42
so dont have a sig jst!
sorry irrelvant.
i think you have a lot of valid points charley, if we could discuss this properly then it would be good, but i think people are gonna overreact again and its all gonna turn way nasty.
so i think drifters probably right to say just leave it.
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charley
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posted 18-03-2001 19:51
yep, exactly, its summin i wanna discuss. so who really cares if anyone posts irrelevant or immature topics, im willing to ignore the comments from those who have no real opinion coz this is summin that really matters as far as i'm concerned.
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Drifter
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posted 18-03-2001 20:40
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Originally posted by charley:
yep, exactly, its summin i wanna discuss. so who really cares if anyone posts irrelevant or immature topics, im willing to ignore the comments from those who have no real opinion coz this is summin that really matters as far as i'm concerned.
then go for it, but don't say we didn't warn you. lol j/k
if everyones gonna respect each others opinions then it should b fine
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chrishot4u
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posted 18-03-2001 20:44
well, i dont mind goths, they just look scary, i know a few goths, they do it to "be different"
first of all, now they are not just popular, they are concentrating on being popular and getting money, just look at their mtv-friendly 'rollin'
i am sometimes gothic. i dont sleep in a coffin, but i wear black meke up and dog collars. i also sk8 and wear baggies and chains. i like Nirvana, Manson and Raging Speedhorn, but i also like Muse, Sex Pistols and the Steriophonics. how the hell are you gonna classify me? goth? skater? punk? freak?
i like freak the best.
as for manson promoting self harm, he can promote anything he wants for gods sake, free speach does not censor things which make the majaority uncomfortable.
You could edit it & take out the uneccesary stuff?
j9
Yeah, it's like a form of therapy, but certain bands shouldn't promote it cos it casts a negative stereotypes & may provoke depressed ppl.
there is a group of goths in my school. what really annoys me about them is that they go round saying they want to be individual etc.. yet they all dress the same and from what i have got from speaking to them, they all have the same opinions.
ok, maybe sometimes you do have the same opinions as your closest friends but there is about 20 of themand its only natural to have some different opinions to your friends, otherwise it would be so boring! im not saying that all goths are like this, just the ones i know.
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probably drifting off again, but why do ppl associate self harm with goths?
guano: i listen to similar music as you, except possibly even more varied with stuff like happy hardcore and run dmc, yet am still classed as goth (?). most people around here are so fucked and up themselves that they think that anyone who wears a lot of eyeliner, skates, likes black now and then, and isnt madly obsessed with pop is a goth. i mean duuuh!!
and i know i constantly contradict myself, which probly cant be helped if u have a mind as strange as mine.
There are loads of goths in our year and i think its taking it too far for boys to wear mascara etc... I mean i understand that thye want to be original and dont want to fit into a trend but there are other ways of going about it.
One of my very good frineds used to be a townie and then she started hanging around with some goths and now she is totally changed. She used to be really bubbly and then she went through this really bad depression and now she is totally different . I see her as a hypocrit now because she slags of townies, im bored of discussing it with her cos it ends up in an argument. They always complain how everyone picks on them but what can they expect if they dress and act like that, all i can say is that they bring it upon them selves. IM not being self opiniated and single minded because me and this girl are still good friends and some of my other mates are goths too and im not saying that that she dress like evryone else so as not to get picked on but tone it down a bit so its not so in ur face. Ive had so many arguments about music that they listen to and i dont know how some of it can even be called music. I like some of thier stuff like paparoach, limpbizkit, offspring and Blink182 but i hate slipknot and korn AND marilyn Manson etc....
Please dont think i am being a bitch here but i really miss my mate.
Also its not just the clothes and music, in our school many of them get victimised by teachers and their work deteriorates. Many of them get into drugs and get others involved and many are gya or biosexual.
I dont want to sound like a goodiegoodie or a homophobic but i dont think its normal for someone of 15 to say they are biosexual becuse they dont fully know and they r still experimenting.
My point is that everyone is getting quite sick of all this in ur face crap and by all means like whatever music and dress how u want but dont influence other people and dont let it reck ur education and just tone it down a bit and try to be more down to earth.
please dont think that im saying im perfect coz im not at all but im just talking about sopmething i fell like talking about.
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im not gonna call u a bitch or anythin, i just wanted to know ppl opinions coz its a subject that im interested in (like i already said). anyway, u make some good points and its cool that u see it from both sides. i actually think that guys in make up look nice, but thats just my opinion im sayin that everyone has to only like guys in drag or whatever. for example people liek brian molko, richey edwards, and marilyn manson look pretty good inmake up, whereas carig david probly wouldnt if u get me.
and i guess people will always take the piss out of each other, even if we were all teh same coz thats how society is for some reason. even if everyone dressed the same and liked the same bands someone would hav to go and find somethin else to take the piss out of.
and ure right, yeh i do this to be different. i like sittin there and thinkin that i dont belong to a particular catagory of ppl, it makes me feel good and i cant be classes as following a trend or copying others. altho i probly do look stupid sometimes. lol <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">.
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I wouldn't say a nature to rebel...
All the goths/metalheads/hippies I know aren't half as rebellious as the scallies & trendies. We just listen to different music & dress slightly different. I don't dress in that way to rebell...more to make a statement that I am what I am.