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Eh?
Money is how we measure the relative value of commodities within our current market system.
The state is currently maintaining a total strangle hold on the production of money. In times gone by, communities had their own currency, but men with guns are making you use worthless fiat paper, and of course slavery follows close behind.
Thinking is tricky, isn't it. I'll think up some new words to save myself the effort of repeated explanation in future.
Why do you need to go to university again to get your licences for professions etc? Oh that would be the state again!
You're the master of getting the wrong end of the stick aren't you?
I read quite widely thanks, I just don't read any particular columnist. Try reading what I write next time eh?
Yeah, and it could be measured in anything. People, not being stupid, traditionally chose gold, but the government spent it all decades ago, being stupid.
You think that the current pound Euro etc are anything more than imposed standards? Halfwit!
A free market in currency would answer a hell of a lot of problems, to be quite frank. You have a tractor you and your fellow workers just built. I am offering you this nice piece of paper with some numbers written on it.
Are you going to accept that or are you going to go for the gold?
Yep.
Or make you own, if you want to. I mean, why the hell not?
guns dont exsist Klintock its just a collection of atoms fabricated together into a pre designed shape it just happend to be called a gun the only reason you think its a gun is because theres some with a ,,,er,,,
Well never mind it just isnt OK
Yeah.
It was funny the first time. Now you are just being a twat. Fuck off, eh?
They wouldn't have to. That's the whole point. A free market means you can choose what you do. Just having the option would put pressure on the existing banks etc to act more responsibly.
Nah. It works in places with a few "borders" so it could work everywhere.
No the point is thats what its like trying to debate with you, just when people think there getting to somekind of point you comeout with oh yes but it dosnt exsist ? then it goes around in circles.
Terribly sorry if that's how it happens. All I am really aiming to do is to make folk think what "society" "government" and all those other nominalisations really are before wandering off into what they should/shouldn't be doing.
All those things really are only ideas. Most posters can't wait to pick up weapons to go do things with those ideas.
It saddens me slightly that all political debate centres around what might or might not be done with resources taken by force with no thought of how those resources are acquired or even if what they are going to be thrown at really exists in the way it's generally thought of.
If any of the posters I have debated this stuff with would be willing to put their hands up and say "Right, fine. Countries are just arbitary imaginary lines etc etc" then we'd get somewhere - down to what we do about the violent ones who make this stuff up and brainwash large groups into thinking these optional games are reality, for example.
Then I usually cheer up, because cheerful is what I am.
Apologies for my earlier bluntness, btw.
OK and my point with the gun thing was you can say the same "arbitary imaginary" about anything. Everything with a human word and catagorisation is to some extent arbitary and imaginary, its just a label we put on it.
I dont see how that is true with a country but not with a gun ?
No, theres very definitely a physical world out there, with set rules. Light moves at the same speed for me as it does for you, gravity affects us both the same way.
Yup. What does that mean though? Some words refer to real things in the real world, the one we perceive through the senses, some words refer to ideas only. It's important to know which is which before you go killing people, I reckon.
A gun is a real, concrete thing, you can see where it begins and ends. A country has no concrete start and end, it's entirely imaginary. England didn't exist in 1536. The UK didn't in 1705.
1. its only a gun cause we call it a gun, if in the future if a laser weapon is developed, and explosive firearms are redundant, the laser could still be called a gun, and you cold say a "gun" as we know it dosnt exsist.
2. Its physical, so's the air so's the table the gun sits on, how do we differentiate between them its just atoms being in different states of agitation, I could dismantal the gun and tie string to it the string is physical is it a gun no because we know what we refer to as a "gun" ie its only a gun because of human labels, does it have to fire a projectile to be a gun, apart from when its a crossbow or cannon, or you take a normal gun and file dowm and cut bits off it so it still fires is it still a gun ? yes so what are the bits Ive taken off called ?
Much the same could be said of a country it has boundries which are written down and defined defined much more clearly than the physical boundries of a gun are ?
It has a label assigned and agreed by people ( I have a british passport) and agreed, the vast majority accept this evern if they dont feel a british them selfes they still know which laws apply, they still know where there based.
It suites a purpose much like a gun thats why we want it, Id prefer to be in Britain with Laws developed over a long time, and a means of inforcing those laws rather then leave everything to chance.
A gun is a label that can change and vary for something physical so is a country, land is physical, the label assignes out meaning to it.
I agree. There should probably be about 6 or 7 words for all the different things it can mean. Theres a real place, a nation, a state, sometimes an ethnicity, a set of idea's, a history, a commonality, a code of rules, an imaginary boundary, a pool of people to pick a football team from......
All using one word. It's been incredibly confabulated. On purpose.
Right, fair enough. Not always useful but true enough.
Who writes down and defines those boundaries and why would they mean anything to me unless I wanted them to?
Agreed when and where and what happens if you don't agree?
Ok who decides what a Gun is and does this mean anything to me unless I want them to, what happens if I dont agree that its a gun.
The answers to those two questions arre very similer to your 2. The definition of a gun dosnt have to mean anything to me, but they are accepted human labels If you want to buy a gun you have to ask for a "gun"
What happens if you dont agree, well If youve got a gun and I say its not a gun, guns done exsist their just ......blah blah, and you shoot me then I still get shot dont I, I can deny its exsistance whilst the bullet hits me, dosnt change the fact Ive just been shot.
Like wise whats legal in some countries is illegal here If you get caught and go to court and try explaining to them, Yes I did it but youve got no right to try me as this country dosnt realy exsist, its just .......
Well youl still get punished, still be in a UK prison, proof that it does exsist ?
Nothing. You can do what you like. No one is forcing you.
Sure, but the existence of the label isn't being used as a reason on it's own for you to obey the whims of others. Which brings us right along to
No, in this "country" you are assumed to be innocent. That is, it's up to the prosecution to prove that the country "existence" and it's got something to do with you. You've got nothing to explain.
See above.
Yeah, maybe. it depends on how emotionally attached to their fiction's the anti social parasite called "judge" is on the day, and if his friends actually follow the law on appeal.
I admit I'm wrong when I am wrong. I'm not on this. In no way can Peter Hitchens be described as "insightful". Not by any usual defintion of the word anyway.
Must be you who has the problem then.
His brother, however, is a man of towering genius.