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Seeing as there has never been in history a single case study where lower taxes and less government interference have helped more people out of poverty- in fact complete the opposite is true- it's about time right wingers admit that if they really give a toss about poverty and the wellbeing of people then taxation can't be lowered, and that the State has to play a fundamental role.
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Fuck yeah. I went to a "set yourself up" seminar thing run by the government and it was mostly about what regulations you had to follow and where to send your tax to and when.
This is why people aren't bothering offically setting up as much these days, and also why the taxman can now just take all your stuff and argue about it afterwards once they find you've ignored "official" procedures.
Of course, all that cash has to come from somewhere, and in Nu Labour's case they made a deal with the BoE and the major corporations. So we have "5 a day co-ordinator" you can't shift with dynamite and climbing numbers of people on short term contracts to pay for them.
Bizzarely, the biggest failures have been state ones, so where the fuck you get this rubbish from I have no idea.
Because left wingers often have a different view of what constitutes work and value. I certainly don't think that the very narrow definition we have of work at the moment is particularly healthy for anyone and I certainly don't think that everything can be measured in terms of money. Right wingers do and I find it quite bizarre that they only value people in terms of money.
You seem to have an odd view on what left wing means.
How does valuing human beings in terms of money help anyone? I really don't get it.
I'm wondering why you think "five-a-day co-ordinators" (I'm guessing you mean something to do with eating veg, although I'm rather sceptical about your source of this info) are left wing.
What do you think left wing means?
Not having to do much work and being unable to produce anything of value as a general rule, this is hardly surprising.
Depends what you mean by "money". Of course, you don't know what it is, so you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. (Again)
This comes from the poster who continually says it's all about economics. :yeees:
And five-a-day co-ordinator is a job that's been advertised countless times in the bloated Society section of Wednesday's Guardian. I'm glad I read the popular press at times like these. At least I know I represent the views of people in this country more accurately than that ghastly Polly Toynbee. Right-wingers care about their money and are honest about it.
Thank god we've got some voices of common sense on this pre-dominantly left-wing board.
You must have a very narrow view on what economics means if you think there's any contradiction there.
That the average Cuban has access to better healthcare than tens of millions of US citizens tells you all you need to know about the wonders of low taxation and lack of government interference...
No mate, I just know what money really is. If you were to answer the question, or just generally get your head out of a book for 5 minutes and have a think about what money really is, you'd see what a load of tosh you spout.
So, what is "money"?
Hang on, isn't it government regulation that stops the market getting flooded with more and more firms?
Why, I think it is..........so your talking yet more shite.
If you bothered to read my posts rather than just froth at the mouth, you'd see that I put my view across all the time. However, seeing as you appear to be a bit dense, here goes -
Well left wing is quite a vague term, encompassing everything from social democrats to communists. However, to me, it means a political view that is concerned with individual human beings and community. A view that sees human beings as compex creatures that can't merely be measured in terms of how much money they can make for someone. A view that is concerned with overcoming social inequalities by taking a more rounded and caring view of humans and society in general.
How terrible of the govenrment! :rolleyes:
That's your decision. Nobody is forcing you to eat five vegs and fruit a day, by the way.
Why do rightwingers always resent any attempt to make people's lives better?
While at the same time, I should add, having an unhealthy obsession with banning people from taking certain substances the conservative classes don't approve of?
Spot the hypocrisy stargalaxy?
Spoken like a true Peter Hitchens!
Incidentally did you know that the Daily Mail has invairably one furious editiorial every summer devoted to the Society section of the Guardian? It has come to become an annual event in media circles, something much celebrated and anticipated.
I love the way you try to deflect the debate into paranoid irrelvancy when it goes above your head.
As I said - you seem to have an odd view on what left wing means.
You're quite a typical right wing poster, believe me.
People have to pay for things "firms" produce with "money" or I should say their share of potential resources prviding people beleive in it.
So the poor wont get firms (which dont exsist anyway their just a man made name for a groupe of people who think they work for someone for a common purpose,,, they dont of course cause a comon purpose dosnt exsist, its just a man made name for a general idea which dosnt exsist,,,what get the fuck away from me) to provide services for them cause they cant pay, but the government (which dosnt exsist either its just a man made mane for...oh I give up) can.
SG wernt you on (or thinking of going on) the dole, so waht would hapen if you were ill or broke your leg got money for a doctor ? or hospital treatment ?
No then die, Id bet if you were in that situation and there was no NHS of any kind you wouldnt be thinking "well thank god the government hasnt inefficiently taken peoples money for health services, oh I dont know what Id do if I could be treated free (at the point of use) thank god Im going to die here.
Paying for university your self are you, managed to save 20K already well done, you wont need taxpayers help to get on then will you.
Well, I am 4 foot 6. Anyway, I'll answer for you, as you are too stupid to live (almost.)
Money is the most commonly traded substance between humans. So if you had a soceity based on kindness, tolerance, bigamy or whatever, those qualities would become the new money. Moron.
I love the way you always answer tricky questions with a question. Are you a Rabbi?
Because you are trying to decide for me, you patronising knuclehead, and you are doing it at the barrel of a gun! Not too difficlut to understand I don't like being threatened and punished when I differ in my views about MY life from some fuckwit in an office somewhere.
I don't read any particular columnists in the papers. Peter Hitchens is not exactly what I'd call insightful though.