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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    ...and a paper on birds is relevant how exactly?

    You claimed that subspecies and race are not the same terms - I disagree.
    If you read the pdf it describes various subspecies of crossbill that occur throught the Palearctic, the debate is whether the Scottish one is a separate species.

    The point is subspecies is another term for race,simple as that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry, how does a paper on birds prove that subspecies are the same as race? Have I missed something? :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You are hilarious, the World does give a shit, difference is the ruling factor in all human interactions.

    No mate, the real world, you know, the one that will still be here after we have all died or evolved into something else. They are different things you see. Even a 6 year old can comprehend that.

    You also show a breathtaking ignorance of how people work. It's similarity that makes people come together and is the primary social factor.
    and no two groups are the same- as defined by themselves

    If none had told you about the differences you probably wouldn't mention them - like the green eyes example. Groups get defined by the most persuasive, who use the distinctions they can get you to buy into for there own ends. Hitler springs to mind.
    BTW ..did you get a punch in the mouth from the Nigerian guy ? just tell him his tribe dosen't exist :lol:

    No? Why would he? Most people get what I mean straight away, i on;y have trouble with political types, who generally have invested a lot of effort and emotion into these ideas and find it difficult to shift them.
    You have a great career in front of you at the petrol station.

    When I give up my £75 an hour job hypnotising people then I might give it a go. And here again, you show your idiocy. If a wandering tramp comes up to you and says, oh, for example, "E=MC2" and explains the theory of relativity, he'll either be right or wrong in what he says, regardless of his social status. Stuff is either true or false.
    The work I was involved in was to determine, by using sonograms whether the Scottish Crossbill was a distinct species or a subspecies, there is still a debate but balance is moving toward a separate species rather than a subspecies/race.

    What are your criteria and who chose them? Oh, forget it, it'll be just some guy, just his opinion of how to pretend the world is divided up.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I find it quite breathtaking with the events we have seen lately in New Orleans, Birmingham, Malmo, Copenhagen, Antwerp and just about everywhere in France, that you can pretend that Race is some kind of non-issue, something non-existent to all except of course those nasty "Right wing extremist" white people.
    Those white people that you no doubt label and condemn as "racists" despite the fact that such word neednt exist according to your own logic.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Race is a social construct, it has no concrete basis. The point klintock is making that the colour of skin is just an arbitrary divide, just as arbritary as divides by colour of eyes or nostril hair or whatever.

    Race does not exist. Race is not a subspecies.

    I'd also compare and contrast the murder of a 17-year-old skinny white blonde girl, and the murder of a 17-year-old black girl just a few months ago. Which one got the bigger publicity?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    Race is a social construct, it has no concrete basis. The point klintock is making that the colour of skin is just an arbitrary divide, just as arbritary as divides by colour of eyes or nostril hair or whatever.

    Race does not exist. Race is not a subspecies.

    I'd also compare and contrast the murder of a 17-year-old skinny white blonde girl, and the murder of a 17-year-old black girl just a few months ago. Which one got the bigger publicity?
    Firstly you parrot your Marxist egalitarian mantra that race does not exist, and then in the next sentence you show us an example of "Racism".

    You are a joke.

    But then again this is no longer a joke is it, as we have seen today in London as the Black and Asian communities "embraced" on a red bus in our rainbow nation to stab and kill each other.


    The Emporer has no clothes, when will you see it?
    You cannot continue this colossal denial syndrome you suffer from.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lawrence wrote:
    Firstly you parrot your Marxist egalitarian mantra that race does not exist, and then in the next sentence you show us an example of "Racism".

    And you have limited grasp of English. Funny for someone who thinks white people are superior.

    I'm not sure what's funnier. Your pathetic attempts to be the intelligent face of Stormfront, or you calling me Marxist.

    Racism exists. Race does not as anything other than a fabricated social construct.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    And you have limited grasp of English. Funny for someone who thinks white people are superior.

    I'm not sure what's funnier. Your pathetic attempts to be the intelligent face of Stormfront, or you calling me Marxist.

    Racism exists. Race does not as anything other than a fabricated social construct.
    To be honest all this psuedo-intellectual bullshit your clutching at so desperately is simply not worth bothering with these days, even our self confessing censored media cannot fully hide the fact that multi-racialism is a failed experiment and mass immigration is a national and indeed "western" catastrophy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    Race is a social construct, it has no concrete basis. The point klintock is making that the colour of skin is just an arbitrary divide, just as arbritary as divides by colour of eyes or nostril hair or whatever.

    Race does not exist. Race is not a subspecies.

    You can tell the difference between an African and European by looking at their skeletons actually.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    No mate, the real world, you know, the one that will still be here after we have all died or evolved into something else. They are different things you see. Even a 6 year old can comprehend that.

    The real world is one of Darwinian struggle - indviduals and groups (species/subspecies) in an endless competition for life. I'm sure a 6 year old's view of the world is cosy little place where mum and dad can sort everthing out for them, but it's not really the point.

    You also show a breathtaking ignorance of how people work. It's similarity that makes people come together and is the primary social factor.

    The Disney Channel philosophy show told you that did it?
    No? Why would he? Most people get what I mean straight away, i on;y have trouble with political types, who generally have invested a lot of effort and emotion into these ideas and find it difficult to shift them.

    Political types parrot your type of gibberish at every opportunity these days, St. Blair himself would be proud of you. Quasi Marksism is the new religion of the ruling elites.
    When I give up my £75 an hour job hypnotising people then I might give it a go. And here again, you show your idiocy. If a wandering tramp comes up to you and says, oh, for example, "E=MC2" and explains the theory of relativity, he'll either be right or wrong in what he says, regardless of his social status. Stuff is either true or false.

    Yes something we can agree on, as you put it 'stuff is either true or fale'
    What are your criteria and who chose them? Oh, forget it, it'll be just some guy, just his opinion of how to pretend the world is divided up.

    See above
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    You can tell the difference between an African and European by looking at their skeletons actually.



    really? an african eh, what about a souther african farmer and a southern spanish person?

    you can have a good guess at the ethnically distinct area in the world a persons body is from - but you can't be certain. It's like CSI on tv, most of the things they use to "prove" a persons guilt is purely circumstancial and not 100% as they claim

    what about a mixed race person?

    seriously, you're right but in many ways its' useless



    in regards to race etc, theres less genetic difference between an aborigine and a icelandic person than there is between 2 groups of chimps 50 miles apart, and even then they're not genetically distinct. If you had 2 stereotypical 'scandanavians', and say 2 stereotypical 'africans' - purely from their genetic codes you'd find no dicernable differences
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The real world is one of Darwinian struggle - indviduals and groups (species/subspecies) in an endless competition for life. I'm sure a 6 year old's view of the world is cosy little place where mum and dad can sort everthing out for them, but it's not really the point.

    There are no groups. Nitwit. 6 year old's beleive everything an authority will tell them, time to grow up for you, innit. Regardless, let's go back to that old standby - proof of your ridiciculous assertions please.
    The Disney Channel philosophy show told you that did it?

    Good lord no. It's my job to gain rapport with people one on one and then to use that to help them change. It's not possible to do this by being completely alien to them. You can only do it by finding common ground and going from there.
    Political types parrot your type of gibberish at every opportunity these days, St. Blair himself would be proud of you. Quasi Marksism is the new religion of the ruling elites

    Oh yes, police chiefs are always saying that there is no factual basis for the violence they routinely employ. :lol: You find no end of coppers who stand up in court and say there is no basis for the jurisdiction they are trying you under. Jesus. I despise all politicians, and almost all political theory because I don't like things that aren't real.

    Ok, show me the facts that your ludicrous opinions are based on.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lawrence wrote:
    To be honest all this psuedo-intellectual bullshit your clutching at so desperately is simply not worth bothering with these days, even our self confessing censored media cannot fully hide the fact that multi-racialism is a failed experiment and mass immigration is a national and indeed "western" catastrophy.

    We've had 'mass immigration' for a good few hundred years actually, and it has made Britain one of the World powers.

    And, if there are distinct races, can you give us a definition please?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There's not really any point in argyuing with the Stormfront lot though, is there?

    They'll all be in jail soon anyway :yippe:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    There's not really any point in argyuing with the Stormfront lot though, is there?

    They'll all be in jail soon anyway :yippe:



    not really the police are too busy going after terroists :O and binge drinkers :O and people who dont like the daily mail and the sun :O
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Back to the main point.

    I’m sure we can all agree that the media will report things that make a “good story” and are sensationalist, rather than purely focusing on what’s important or the truth.

    So of course a pretty blond English girl being murdered is a better selling story than a poor black immigrant being murdered, so right there is racial bias in the media.

    Like wise the Asian tsunami received more attention that the Pakistan earthquake cause white tourists were caught up in it (like the actor from the Bill’s daughter)

    Also a pretty 18yr old girl from a “good middle class home” dying of a drug overdose attracts more media attention than a 30 yr old man with previous convictions dying from a drug overdose, so we have a class bias and a looks bias, a racial bias and most importantly an “interesting story” bias in the media.

    Also the media is sensitive to criticism and will sit on or burry a story if they feel that it would attract unwanted criticism from different quarters, i.e. the criticism that their stoking up racial hatred.

    Which is why with the recent riots in Birmingham the race of some of the people injured (the guy killed) wasn’t mentioned to avoid stoking up racial tension or more importantly the accusation of stoking up racial tension.

    So most people would admit the media was bias in all these areas and cynically exploits the news for its own sensationalist aims whilst at the same time is anxious not to be criticised for its news agenda.

    So the only area the medias not biased is with racial murders that’s the only area they have unbiased factual reporting with out regard for criticism with out regard for sensationalism and with out regard for a good story, I beg to differ I think their just as biased as to what suites their agenda with these types of story’s.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There's not really any point in argyuing with the Stormfront lot though, is there?

    No. :(

    I pity them. They see fields where I see blades of grass, all different colours.

    I always get tempted to go for hysterical blindness with racists. Not ethical, though. Interestingly, there are rumours that Hitler was treated with hypnosis for that very problem. The idiot hypnotist saw how arogant he was and used that belief to get him to stop pretending he was blind. "Only a man of great superiority could overcome this illness". Should have left the fucker alone.

    http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/hitlernuz.htm
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lawrence wrote:
    I find it quite breathtaking with the events we have seen lately in New Orleans, Birmingham, Malmo, Copenhagen, Antwerp and just about everywhere in France, that you can pretend that Race is some kind of non-issue, something non-existent to all except of course those nasty "Right wing extremist" white people.
    Those white people that you no doubt label and condemn as "racists" despite the fact that such word neednt exist according to your own logic.

    I think you'll find class had far more to do with the events in New Orleans. Race is only an issue 'cos racist cowards like you make it so and people in power exploit attitudes like yours to divide people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    McBudda wrote:
    The real world is one of Darwinian struggle - indviduals and groups (species/subspecies) in an endless competition for life.

    Except it isn't of course. Only idiots and first year students subscribe to such a simplistic and reductionist view of evolution.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    There are no groups. Nitwit. 6 year old's beleive everything an authority will tell them, time to grow up for you, innit. Regardless, let's go back to that old standby - proof of your ridiciculous assertions please.

    Darwin - Origin of the Species

    Try and read you might learn something.

    Good lord no. It's my job to gain rapport with people one on one and then to use that to help them change. It's not possible to do this by being completely alien to them. You can only do it by finding common ground and going from there.

    Hypnotist, is that another word for charlatan?

    Ok, show me the facts that your ludicrous opinions are based on.

    If you, as you have stated, see no diference between life forms ' it's all one ' then how can I debate with you about the reality of race and species ?

    Word of advice though, if you're on holiday in Africa and you spot a Lion I suggest you don't try to pat it on the head as you would with a old tabby cat, you might be surprised by it's reaction. :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Except it isn't of course. Only idiots and first year students subscribe to such a simplistic and reductionist view of evolution.

    Except ' idiots ' such as Jones and Dawkins accept Darwins theory.

    11 000 posts ?

    Word of advice, spend some time getting yourself a proper education, read some actual books and take a trip outside ( without a car) never know your I.Q. might increase a couple of points.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    McBudda wrote:
    Except ' idiots ' such as Jones and Dawkins accept Darwins theory.

    11 000 posts ?

    Word of advice, spend some time getting yourself a proper education, read some actual books and take a trip outside ( without a car) never know your I.Q. might increase a couple of points.

    You're a first year aren't you? (if indeed, you are at uni at all)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Try and read you might learn something.

    I have a copy. Quick question for you, oh mighty biologist. If I have a glass of whiskey and a glass of water and I mix them, I have weaker whiskey. Why does evolution say that you get stronger whiskey?
    Hypnotist, is that another word for charlatan?

    Yes, it is. :yes:
    If you, as you have stated, see no diference between life forms ' it's all one ' then how can I debate with you about the reality of race and species ?

    No, I see no similarities. I see total difference. You are as different from me as I am from my brother as he is to my sister etc etc. Similarity is just the brain making useful sense out of the world. It's not true, and it's not real. It's a fault of perception.

    Each new person is a new person and you have to start all over again learning about them. Too much effort for you obviously.
    Word of advice though, if you're on holiday in Africa and you spot a Lion I suggest you don't try to pat it on the head as you would with a old tabby cat, you might be surprised by it's reaction. :lol:

    See you see things as part of the class "lion" I would see an individual creature, based on it's difference to eveerything else. The big claws and teeth would be enough to make me wary.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock, you're gibbering
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock, you're gibbering

    Well, he started it. :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    McBudda wrote:
    Darwin - Origin of the Species


    because darwin had a very narrow view of evolution, the fact is in nature, as well as competition between species, some species enter into symbiotic relationships as well as parasitic ones

    a good theorised example is mitochondria in cells
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    I think you'll find class had far more to do with the events in New Orleans. Race is only an issue 'cos racist cowards like you make it so and people in power exploit attitudes like yours to divide people.

    Edited wrong thing thats why I have a fulll stop.

    But yea stormfronters will say "it's not class, blacks are naturall violent and dumb" :banghead:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ironic thing is, that racists like Lawrence don't even realise that they're playing directly into the hands of the people in power that they rail against.
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    Lawrence wrote:
    I find it quite breathtaking with the events we have seen lately in New Orleans, Birmingham, Malmo, Copenhagen, Antwerp and just about everywhere in France, that you can pretend that Race is some kind of non-issue, something non-existent to all except of course those nasty "Right wing extremist" white people.
    Those white people that you no doubt label and condemn as "racists" despite the fact that such word neednt exist according to your own logic.

    Yep, anti - racists agrue about something they claim doesn't exist, they miss the point every time. In the biggest cause of ' racism ' is the establisment's multi - cult social engineering experiment.

    It all going Darwinian at the moment, and no amout of media dirty tricks will change a thing.
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