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David Irving up to his neck in Austria
BillieTheBot
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Irving arrested on Holocaust Denial charges
Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke...
Or what a pity it'd be if he had to spend the next 20 years in jail.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke...
Or what a pity it'd be if he had to spend the next 20 years in jail.
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Irving is truly the lowest form of scum. He actually has the cheek of suing anyone who questions his claims or who calls him what he clearly is: a fucking Nazi apologist twunt.
Even though he lost a lawsuit against some other writer, he still pursued one against the Guardian newspaper afterwards. I don't know what came of it, I can only hope the little shit lost that one as well.
Though he does prove that not all racists are uneducated or thick...
I thought he was barred from visiting Austria anyway. I know quite a few countries have banned him from visiting. It’s unfortunate that we cannot do the same as he is embarrassingly a British citizen.
While propagandistic for extreme anti-Semitism Holocaust denial as vile and disgusting as it is should not I believe be a crime. I don’t think freedom of speech should stop at Holocaust denial. It’s difficult in that inciting racial hatred is a crime and a constraint on free speech and a necessary one, as Holocaust denial can effectively be the same thing it’s difficult to justify one being legal and one not. (I don’t believe Holocaust denial is a crime in this country). However, I’m uncomfortable with jailing people for denying the Holocaust despite those that profess such views being very disturbing people.
Either way for Irving, it’s a crime in Austria and he knew that so deserves whatever he gets.
I may be unusual but British (Neo) Nazis realy piss me off much more than German ones, as there not only racists but traitors as well, we went to war with them for freedom practicaly brankrupted ourselvs in the process lost lots of lives.
And then cunts like Irving who calls him self British is a suporter of Hitler (Youve shook the hand that shook the hand of the Furher) says the Jews bought the Holocause on them selves. How he's got the nerve to pretend to be a british gent is beyond me Cravern little tratious cunt a discrace to Britain, If i met him I realy would kick the shit out of him.
On a side note its interesting that the Holocaust deniers will deny it happened in one breath in the next say it should be done again or it diddnt go far enough.
I find it quite horrifying that someone could be arrested for the 'crime' of holocaust denial in a supposedly civilised European nation.
How on earth can you justify jailing someone for that?
In some countries Nazi apologism is also a crime punishable by fines and/or jail.
Couldn't be simpler, really. He broke the law, he's facing the consequences.
And the smilies are simply because the man's a cunt.
I don't think many people minded at the time that Al Capone was jailed for tax fraud, do you?
Irving is still a cunt, who ignores all the historical evidence.
Shouldn't be imprisoned for it though.
Frankly I don't see much difference from banning racist hatred talk and banning nazi/fascist talk. They're both as odiuos as each other. But then I have always thought 'freedoms' ought to stop at the door of fascism/nazism, and that their supporters shouldn't have the same privileges and rights as the rest of us. They're subhuman scum outside society.
I agree, but I'm not sure there tactics actually work, especially given the amount of neo-nazis in Germany. Also holocaust denial isn't neccessarily the same as supporting Nazism. It is possible to claim that the Nazi camps were not deliberately designed as death camps, but concentration camps in their proper sense (ie to concentrate people) and the deaths were due to typhus etc. Now personally I don't believe that, but then I don't believe the Soviet Unions camps were holiday rest homes either - but claiming they were shouldn't be a crime.
Look at the paragraph again It doesn't take much imagination for someone to phrase it so that the people it is referring to our Jews or Freemasons or Communists or Christians or people who vote Tory.
Funnily enough almost an exact description of how the Nazis used to refer to the Jews...
germany and austria have these laws for historical reasons - there was problems about a hitler waxwork in a german waxworks
But you, me and the entre population of the world (bar nazis themselves perhaps, and even so... ) knows they were wrong.
yes i fully agree however germany and austria aren't my country and well all i can say is i think its stupid as their countries still have have neo nazis in their realms- they just avoid the prosecution
I'm pretty sure the 6 million figure is an exaggeration
Still doesn't take away the horrors of the holocaust or the significance of it.
I dont think so. I dont like the BNP but I completely think they deserve all the same rights and responsibilities everyone else has.
Doesn't matter really, they are still wrong.
All laws are there for 'historical reasons', a lot of them shouldn't be there at all though......
How far would you go? internal exile? prison? execution without trial?
And if all others think they are right and that those who disagree should be silenced? Its easy to say that the Tories should be allowed freedom of speech, or the Labour Party, or mainstream Muslims or mainstream Christians. But freedom of speech doesn't mean anything unless it also covers Nazis, religious fanatics or others we disagree with.
We'll have to agree to disagree there. I simply believe a line can be drawn between them and us, even those of us we disagree with and consider particularly unpleasant. I simply see that lot as on a different league to anyone else.
you better watch out, you might have an angry mob at your doorstep soon
But banning them makes them seem far more powerful than they are and is virtually always counter productive.
True. Although rightly if incitement of racial hatred is a consequence of somebody’s ‘free speech’ they are breaking the law. This is a necessary constraint to freedom of speech. A white supremacist encouraging people to kill black people cannot be tolerated, nor can a Muslim extremist targeting impressionable youth to attack Jews or gays or whatever. I don't think Holocaust denial automatically incorporates incitement of racial hatred, although it frequently does which is Aladdin's justification I think.