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luxury goods.

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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would they cease to exist in a socialist world?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Probably not...the ability to buy them would...i.e. easier.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    define "luxury"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    define "luxury"
    briefly met a guy today who had an outragously expensive car.
    1/4 of a million 1/2 a million quids ...ferrari i think ...i know nothing about motors by the way.

    just got me thinking.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would assume it depends on what type of socialism you're talking about .
    I mean the Marxist idea of socailism might be very different from someone elses.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    AllAmericanRageJunky wrote:
    I would assume it depends on what type of socialism you're talking about .
    I mean the Marxist idea of socailism might be very different from someone elses.
    so where do 1/4 million pound cars stand then?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would hope they wouldn't exist in any form. Course that might be a little idealistic of me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    AllAmericanRageJunky wrote:
    I would hope they wouldn't exist in any form. Course that might be a little idealistic of me.
    how about jewel encrusted things ...fine art ...collections of valuable antiques?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    morrocan roll wrote:
    how about jewel encrusted things ...fine art ...collections of valuable antiques?
    state owned?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    AllAmericanRageJunky wrote:
    state owned?
    well bollox to that!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    AllAmericanRageJunky wrote:
    state owned?

    not neccesarily
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    not neccesarily
    wow!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    not neccesarily
    explain :chin:
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    They would not, as persay, exist. In the ideal socialist world we would see no need for such thigs - after all, the people with them are often none happier really - look at all the rich celebs or drugs and anti depressants trying to find happiness.

    Luxury - Well.... I suppose worthless luxury items would. A washing machine is - but ideally, everyone would have one - they are useful. Yet a luxury.

    A ferrari wouldn't - What is the point of a car you cannot use at its full speed or capabilty and is inneficient - You could have an efficient car that is more practical and at its best on the road - and more reliable. Common sense, no?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A washing machine is a luxury now?
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Kentish wrote:
    A washing machine is a luxury now?
    To alot of people in the world yes, it is.

    Also think. You do not NEED in any way a washing machine. It is just a way of maknig washing easier- you dont have to do it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    A washing machine is a luxury now?
    depends on what you regard as luxury. Ask some people and they'll tell ya that most possessions are luxury items that have simply become commonplace in out lives. Course those are usualy the same people who advocate a return to "pre-civilization"....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Most of what I own is luxurious then. Maybe we should all live in caves and eat wild boar.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Kentish wrote:
    Most of what I own is luxurious then. Maybe we should all live in caves and eat wild boar.


    Oooh... Boar...

    But yes. That would be truely without Luxury items. I doubt anyone seriously could advocate that as a conceivable world now.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    But yes. That would be truely without Luxury items. I doubt anyone seriously could advocate that as a conceivable world now.


    http://www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=home

    can and do :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Oooh... Boar...

    But yes. That would be truely without Luxury items. I doubt anyone seriously could advocate that as a conceivable world now.
    But I guess the point with luxuries is that you wouldn't aspire towards everyone owning one. We can aspire towards everyone having a washing machine because it is a by-product of general industrial development. Whereas your Ferrari is just, arguably, a needless waste of resources.

    The antiques point is interesting though - what can you do to stop people placing a high value on things that already exist? Burn first editions of books? Destroy antique furniture and art? We can't rid the world of high value goods, surely?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    AllAmericanRageJunky wrote:
    http://www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=home

    can and do :rolleyes:
    Somewhat ironic that they have a website, dontcha think?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    Somewhat ironic that they have a website, dontcha think?

    yes. :yes:


    I read all the books they put out and could go into their justification for why they have a website but I'm sure you guys could come up with it anyhow. Interestingly enough they do have some valid points though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In supermarkets Tampons and other womans sanitry products are counted as "luxery" you know.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo wrote:
    In supermarkets Tampons and other womans sanitry products are counted as "luxery" you know.
    Tights and stockings are counted as "hosiery" too. It's outrageous. I blame the feminists.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Kentish wrote:
    Somewhat ironic that they have a website, dontcha think?
    Very. But then... that proves rather they don't truely beleive that. Unless you try to use the old "We use our enemies weapons against them" argument. :rolleyes:

    Yes, the point you make above, with the washing machine and ferrari is the one I like to make. As for old stuff - well. The point is that stuff is scarce and not many of them exist. So their value is higher. Note how "common" old things are worth little compared to rarer ones. And they jusr for the fact they are old often enough. They rarely get used most of the time.

    I really dont know how to calssify them, except I will say i find some prices stuff sells at auction madness.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Very. But then... that proves rather they don't truely beleive that. Unless you try to use the old "We use our enemies weapons against them" argument. :rolleyes:

    Yes, the point you make above, with the washing machine and ferrari is the one I like to make. As for old stuff - well. The point is that stuff is scarce and not many of them exist. So their value is higher. Note how "common" old things are worth little compared to rarer ones. And they jusr for the fact they are old often enough. They rarely get used most of the time.

    I really dont know how to calssify them, except I will say i find some prices stuff sells at auction madness.
    But that's just how market economics works - simple supply and demand. How would that change in your ideal world?
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    AllAmericanRageJunky wrote:
    Interestingly enough they do have some valid points though.

    So did Hitler? But we like to forget that and portray him as ambsolutley wrong and mad. After all, good and evil must me easily defined to keep us hordes ignorant, you know. ;p
    I blame the feminists.

    Everything is their fault. We've found new scapegoats! :D
    They started that war in Iraq. I think I might try to run with this idea.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Very. But then... that proves rather they don't truely beleive that. Unless you try to use the old "We use our enemies weapons against them" argument. :rolleyes:

    yeah that's pretty much it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Everything is their fault. We've found new scapegoats! :D
    They started that war in Iraq. I think I might try to run with this idea.
    I heard they were rioting in Paris as well. :yes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Everything is their fault. We've found new scapegoats! :D
    They started that war in Iraq. I think I might try to run with this idea.

    too late, a guy named Lewis Black already did a stand-up bit about it.

    "Pat Robertson said that god alowed 9/11 to happen because he was angry, in particular with the feminists. And I thought to myself 'now there is a name I didn't expect to hear'....'and god looked down from the heavens, and he saw that there was no stew in the oven, and the spice rack was in dissaray and he said I WILL SMITE THEM ALL!'

    But Pat Robertson said that god actualy came to him in a dream and told him this. And I thought to myself 'well that can't be right' because god had called me about 4 hours earlier and told me he was angry because of dick heads like Pat Robertson" :lol:
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