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I dont think she was that feared and hated,,
I hate Tony much more,
Thank you Maggie for breaking the tryanny of the bully-boy unions, giving Council tenants the chance to own their own homes, and turning sclerotic Soviet-style state industries over to private enterprise.
You energised and liberated people who had been demoralised by years of socialist incompetence culminating in the Winter of Discontent (1979), when the dead remained unburied, bins were left unemptied with rats and rubbish filling the streets, and the public sector was continually on strike.
Thank you for saving us Maggie. God bless you.
During Thatcher's reign, and even a few years after she left, things were pretty grim for the working and actually much of the middle classes.
Only a full 5 years after the wicked witch's departure things became to improve. A hell of a difference from the scene of economic 'legacy' you appear to be painting.
The catalogue of atrocities Pinochet perpetrated on his own people cannot be underestimated. Thousands killed, tens of thousands tortured in ways that would make the Nazis blush, women raped by especially trained dogs... Pinochet is one of the most repulsive and plain evil cunts in the history of mankind. The only reason he won't go down in history in the infamy he deserves is because the US saw him as an ally, and because he 'only' murdered several thousands and tortured several tens of thousands of his own people. So in the deluded eyes of some, he's just some ''minor, a-tad-naughty right wing dictator". But in the scale of nastiness, evilness and brutality, the soon-to-be-dead mass murderer ranks alongside the very best.
What a mockery he makes of our alleged love for democracy and our 'good will' to help others.
And this is the kind of monster Thatcher willingly went to bed with, not only during his regime when at least some could argue (wrongly) that you have to play realpolitk sometimes, but many years afterwards when she helped the now out of power disgusting tyrant avoid justice.
I can only hope there is a Hell after all, for there must be a special place being prepared for the arrival of the two great buddies.
But not as grim as during Callaghan's reign, where "taxingf the rich till the pips squeaked" meant taxing the fuck out of everyone.
I guess it depends on what you consider better, and what you consider worse. I think that not having bodies rotting in the streets, having full electrical supply and not freezing to death is progress, and you obviously don't.
It's important to put Thatcher into context, really. She was not ideal, but she was a million times better than what went before.
In any case, like I said earlier (and I'm not comparing the two, before anyone suggests it), Hitler revitalised Germany but he is still remembered in the infamy he deserves. There is more in life than alleged economic prosperity. I can't ignore the woman's willing association with repugnant racists, fascists and murderers- and nor should anyone else.
I actually meant to ask Disillusioned yesterday but I forgot. I believe he is gay isn't it? He appeared to be defending her record in office yesterday. As far as I'm concerned any gay person or even any person sympathetic towards gay rights should be repulsed by the introduction of the infamous Section 28 Thatcher oversaw.
There is no end to the wickedness and nastiness of the woman.
How do you guys think she was better than any other Prime Minister?
Well you say that about Clause 28 - and as a gay man I agree with you over it ... but "no end to the wickedness and nastiness of the woman"?
If the British public did not vote her out, surely that makes us all complicitous?
Her supporting of Pinochet a few years ago happened well after she had been ousted so voters cannot be blamed for it.
She only has the Falklands to thank for one of her election successes anyway.
Which is why it's important to remove yourself as much as possible from being "british" and never ever vote unless it's in extreme circumstances - i.e. self defensive voting.
Also that depends on a belief in democracy, which I don't share even slightly. Democracy is bullshit, it's 9 wolves and a lamb discussing what's for dinner.
I think its too easy to get carried away by the vitriol .. it almost seems that you still have a chip on your shoulder because she may have stopped some of your benefits. She did bring the country out of a very dark period but, rightly or wrongly, it was the voter that left her there for that length of time ...
She also comes across as an ultra right wing, greedy, completely uncaring, homophobic, money-obsessed, single mother-persecuting little bigot.
I mean, what's to like about the woman?
She might not be as 'evil' as Hitler and Hussein of course... but she's still one of the nastiest and most unpleasant politicians in the history of this country.
However there are countless people out there who should be decent enough not to go to bed with brutal monsters or to hate and persecute entire groups.
Most other politicians from all the main parties actually would fit that profile- even if we don't agree with their policies.
Yes, gassing the Kurds was such a great thing to do.
Joseph Stalin?
no.
You wouldn't be comparing Stalin to Maggie, right? Despise her as we all do, she didn't kill millions of people.
They are ALL great. Possibly. Actually not. Only thing PUtin ever did was bomb the fuck out the Chechens... how do you spell that sorry? It is like that isn't it?
Putin is about as useful as Maggie. Rich get richer under him, poor get poorer.
Stalin and Maggie? No, Stalin built up the Industry... Maggie killed it. Both won a war, mind. Maggie didn't kill all her opponents though, but she was pro-democracy, so it'd be a bit off if she did. :rolleyes: Oh, and one had a cool 'tache.
Only thing I could possibly say in defence of Maggie was she DID want to Finish Saddam in the first gulf war... should have done it then.
Which would you rather have, 3% of £20k or 2.8% of £90k?
Do the figures then tell me who is better off from that change...
I didn't like the direction she lead us in, but you cannot deny that she was a true leader.
As for Slippy's usual illinformed comments, sadly I didn't get to vote against her, I was "only" seventeen when she stood for election for the last time. I did get to vote against the party she was leading a couple of times though. Does that mean I can criticise her?
Hosni Mubarak - Egypt
Ali Khamenei - Iran
Bashir Al-Assad - Syria
Robert Muagbe - Zimbabwe
Yoweri Museveni - Uganda
Thabo Mbeki - South Africa
Paul Kagame - Rwanda
Still, you are missing GWB in your list of cuddly killers there buddy. In fact you could add every "leader", because they all murder people, one way or another.