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Life without parole, for children
BillieTheBot
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This is one of the more disturbing stories I have read in a while. Children in the US are getting life in prison without parole.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4333036.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4333036.stm
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Still, they should count themselves lucky they are not being electrocuted... Ungrateful bastards... :rolleyes:
Many things about US 'justice' are deeply disturbing and disgraceful.......
http://www.kevinboone.com/miscarriages_of_justice.html
http://innocent.org.uk/cases/guildford4/
Well yes but I think there is an obvious difference between miscarriages of justice and systematic policy......
Do you believe that there are no innocent people in US jails? Please tell me you're not that deranged.
Is it perfect? no. Is it better than the US (and a fuck of a lot of other places come to that)? yes
Do people agree that "adults" should be capable of recieving a life setence with out possiblity of parole? If so, does that mean that at 17 it is a repugnant and odious idea and at 18 it's perfectly acceptable?
A view I support. *ducks objects* If the Evidence shows the child did it deliberatley and thought it out, he is obviously a danger to people. What,s oa child can't fucknig be evil, just because its a child? Get out of here, I've seen what children do to animals with my owns eyes. Little bastards can be just as evil.
Obviously, there is a limit. Children under a certain age, i'd say 12ish, but I don't know when they are really responsible, leave that to experts. But once, in my view, you are a teenager or so, you are just as guilty as the next person. You are capable of freely thinking and acting of your own will. So its about time you faced the consequences of your actions.
They do not suddenly become worldly-wise the second they hit 18 nor were they completely clueless prior to that. I suppose what you've got to decide is when is the (legal) minor a mental minor or not. Becuase I'm sure that a lot of say, 15/16/17 year olds are mature enough to commit the crimes with the full knowledge of the consequences.
So I guess it's where you draw the line.
Personally, I think life should mean life, in fact, fuck it, I say bring back hanging. Good family day out and you don't have to spend money on keeping scum in jail.
the difference between a 17yr old and an 18yr old is that they are yet to recieve the full rights as a citizen thus they are unable to be fully accountable since they arent in terms of voting/drinking etc
thats the difference! and its a fucking disgrace about american prisons
exactly you're not granted the same rights yet so you shouldn't be able to be gven the states full wrath so to speak
Some people deserve to be locked up for life, never to be let free. Some of them are young adults, such as the animal that raped the teacher in London. He should never get parole, and he should die in prison. Once you are 13 or 14 you know what you are doing, and you should never be given a second chance if you pre-meditatedly rape or murder somebody in cold blood.
But at the same time there is something awfully disgusting about locking a young child up for life, and not even give them hope for the future. You might as well hang them then, it'd be more humane.
I tend to agree.
I think even at 10 years old someone knows if they're doing something wrong. The Bulger killers knew what they'd done wasn't right. If somebody clearly has mental issues they should be indefinitely put in some kind of mental institution that can support/help them and not released until it's 100% sure that they pose no danger to the public. If somebody doesn't have mental issues but is well just nasty and rapes or kills someone they should be jailed for life without parole. I'm being sorta simplistic I know.
Death penalty is a whole other big issue and a bit of a tough one. The problem is miscarriage's of justice although what's the difference between hanging someone's who innocent and them spending their entire life in a prison cell if they're innocent? For certain people I think I support it in some cases, for instance I see no decent reason in keeping Ian Huntley alive. And for those that claim to never support the death penalty I'm always inclined to hear what they'd have proposed doing with Hitler if he hadn't committed suicide...
Same as we did for Hess. Its not a hard question. I don't support the death penalty - but that doesn't mean I don't think certain people shouldn't rot in prison.
Very true.
And come off it, do you think a teenager honestly gives two shits about who runs the country at all? I'd like to vote at my age, but I am aware many people my age would just vote for someone like the BNP simply because they are "different" and "rebelious", without having ANY knowledge of the policies at all.
I must say though, I do think we have double standards. You can join the army and be sent to war at 16, but not be allowed to drive, or drink, or vote. what the hell?
we're not saying dont punish them, just dont do it on the full wrath due to reasons stated before
its not a matter of what they think, do you you know theyre not interested in anything? theyre yet to be granted full rights as a citizen thus removing some of the states rights to punish you
the choice to vote or not is just as important as whom you vote for
A lot do.
And it is their right to a democratic protest vote if they so wish. It's not as if its just the young who use protest votes.
If you pay tax you should be given a right to vote. And as even the smallest child pays tax, they should be given the right to vote.
In a democratic society you give everyone a voice, or you don't bother.
Personally I think stupid people should be banned from voting, but that isn't really compatible with democracy.