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Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
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Alright, we got one at college. But... an issue here... you MUST seemingly be a pro-liberal, pro-america, pro-west type person to be allowed in it. Yes. What do you think of this idea? As, otherwise, it would seem views are not tolerated. So much for liberal part of it, but you get the image, right? What do you guys think?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    meh
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Alright, we got one at college. But... an issue here... you MUST seemingly be a pro-liberal, pro-america, pro-west type person to be allowed in it. Yes. What do you think of this idea? As, otherwise, it would seem views are not tolerated. So much for liberal part of it, but you get the image, right? What do you guys think?

    Um....I don't think so....

    The National Student Union is on average a body that is slightly left wing. (Even if exeter is weird and has a really big Conservative Youth division :()
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've paid very little attention to what our student union does. One of my friends did ask me to be the events co-ordinator for the Conservative Society :D

    It didn't work out because I had too much stuff on, but for Freshers, I was going to organise a day where we handed out blue condoms with the slogan 'Stop Labour' on them. It would have been wonderful had it not been for that bastard essay on serine proteases in blood coagulation :crying:
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Renzo wrote:
    Um....I don't think so....

    The National Student Union is on average a body that is slightly left wing. (Even if exeter is weird and has a really big Conservative Youth division :()

    It isn't national, its just a one at our college set up by them. Not conected in any way to anything else. :no:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    im joining the tory society at my uni for the sheer fact we has john major, william hague and duncan smith there, and they have good debates - unlike at the debate society which is more real life politics

    its odd tories together can have a good debate but in national views theyre scum :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Funny, in my day the Student Union was very much left wing...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    When I was at Durham University the Union was campaigning against something in particular but I was actually in favour of the thing they were against... actually come to think of it there were two issues I felt strongly about but in the opposite manner to the Union. I didn't do or say anything but they professed to speak on behalf of all students. Hmmm. :(
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BumbleBee wrote:
    When I was at Durham University the Union was campaigning against something in particular but I was actually in favour of the thing they were against... actually come to think of it there were two issues I felt strongly about but in the opposite manner to the Union. I didn't do or say anything but they professed to speak on behalf of all students. Hmmm. :(

    Exeter almost disafiliated from the Student Union last year. For some reason our 'Student Union' is called a 'Guild' Though loads of people dislike this.

    Also our union last year refused to not support top up fees. :|
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    my unions actually alright its just far too pc it has a womens officer and a ethnic minorities officer, when a good proportion of my university is ethnic minorities and female so nowasdays theres no need for it - scrap the 2 roles and replace with one for stopping unfair discrimination
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The NUS is a pile of crooked, wannabe-lefty, pinko tree huggers who are just as corrupt and bent as any other union there has ever been.

    So it stands to reason that if the union at the top is like that, such a consciousness will filter down to the rest.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I didnt realise they actually did stuff.
    I thought they were just there for giving me 10% discount at topshop.
    *shrugs*
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Charles Clarke and Jack Straw are both previous NUS presidents...I guess it's recommended training for aspiring Labour politicans. Probably part of the reason why the NUS is so crap that whoever is leading it is probably just in it for a bit of work experience before going into politics. I'm sure whoever's leading it at the moment will forget their opposition to Labour's top-up fees when they become a Labour politican...Wonder how Charles Clarke would have reacted to the idea of top up fees when he was NUS president. :chin:

    Still the NUS is good for 10% off at HMV and Topman even if it is useless in every other respect.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That girl who was the NUS president last year actually seemed to align herself with the socialist party. She did a talk at a socialist students meeting at my uni last year.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo wrote:
    That girl who was the NUS president last year actually seemed to align herself with the socialist party. She did a talk at a socialist students meeting at my uni last year.


    And you can bet in five years time she'll still be talking the talk about socialism whilst on a £500k per year salary in the City.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo wrote:
    That girl who was the NUS president last year actually seemed to align herself with the socialist party. She did a talk at a socialist students meeting at my uni last year.

    And you’re very naïve if you believe that means a thing.

    As NUS president Charles Clarke consistently complained of student grants not keeping up with inflation and not enough people getting the full grant…As Education Secretary Charles Clarke forced through the introduction of top up fees, now students pay more and very few are eligible for grants.

    Clarke too, like Straw and every other NUS president aligned themselves with socialism (and some past NUS presidents have been more communist leaning) yet they soon turned into respectable moderate politicians.

    I’m not a socialist so it doesn’t really bother me that NUS leaders pretend to be uncompromising left wingers and then transform into ‘respectable’ Labour politicians or stroll into top jobs in the city but it does really make a bit of a farce of the NUS. Although I’d have far more respect for the NUS even though I am not a socialist if their leaders were genuine rather than just aspiring Labour politicians on work experience.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo wrote:
    Also our union last year refused to not support top up fees. :|

    Good. Sounds like a Union I would like to be a member of.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BumbleBee wrote:
    Good. Sounds like a Union I would like to be a member of.

    I'm sorry it's called 'The Guild' not a Union.

    it annoys me. :(
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo wrote:
    I'm sorry it's called 'The Guild' not a Union.

    it annoys me. :(

    Good. Sounds like a Guild I would like to be a member of. :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Disillusioned wrote:
    yet they soon turned into respectable moderate politicians.

    So abandoning belief in correcting the wrongs of the world and establishing a system which works for the benefit of humanity deems him "respectable"??
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My student union is cool as they've moved to put a fair trade coffee shop in the canteen and stopped selling coca cola products. However the Union bar still sells coke but... -shrug-

    The Union here is quite liberal or so it seems, but then my university is very multicultural, has courses such as human rights and is in a fair traid town.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Are you insane?? Have you been to uni yet?? The Student Union is the complete opposite. They are very aint-west, anit-american esepcially and crow on an on about liberal democracy and who they are so democratic when in actual fact they suport socialism, marxism andnot said squat about brutal fundamentaist regimes.

    In fatc, if you are even somewhat for the west, america and a liberal democracy you get put down and looked down for it. Thats how it was at my uni.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo wrote:
    Also our union last year refused to not support top up fees. :|

    Interesting.

    Maybe they were all (or had parents that are) poor enough to escape them... ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sunderland union did disaffiliate
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Walkindude wrote:
    Are you insane?? Have you been to uni yet?? The Student Union is the complete opposite. They are very aint-west, anit-american esepcially and crow on an on about liberal democracy and who they are so democratic when in actual fact they suport socialism, marxism andnot said squat about brutal fundamentaist regimes.

    In fatc, if you are even somewhat for the west, america and a liberal democracy you get put down and looked down for it. Thats how it was at my uni.

    You don't actually know what socialism and Marxism mean do you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You don't actually know what socialism and Marxism mean do you?


    Well since I did Political Studies at university then I would say I do, perhaps more then you?? ;)

    but nevermind, I wil go gfromt hsi thread as I can see how it will turn out and I want to remain on these boards.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Walkindude wrote:
    Well since I did Political Studies at university then I would say I do, perhaps more then you?? ;)

    and that proves...what? Tell me how socialists don't support democracy please.

    Thanks. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You don't actually know what socialism and Marxism mean do you?
    That's an easy one

    Socialism = good and kind and fluffy

    Capitalism = nasty, bad and evil

    Or do you have a more sophisticated analysis that you've never got round to sharing with the rest of us
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NQA wrote:
    That's an easy one

    Socialism = good and kind and fluffy

    Capitalism = nasty, bad and evil

    Or do you have a more sophisticated analysis that you've never got round to sharing with the rest of us

    All this goes to show is that you don't bother reading anyone's posts properly.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    All this goes to show is that you don't bother reading anyone's posts properly.
    Just yours ;)

    ETA oh and MoK's once :o
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Walkindude wrote:
    Well since I did Political Studies at university then I would say I do, perhaps more then you?? ;)

    That, exactally, proves what?

    Socialists are very much Democratic folks. Perhaps you are confused a bit?
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